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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109 05/23/21 4:38:49 AM #199:	LinkPizza posted... And when I said literally everyone, it was obviously the figurative literally. Otherwise known as "figuratively", which is the opposite of "literally". Don't get upset at me because of your poor choice of words. LinkPizza posted... Also, if I'm using the Alleged Centainty fallacy, you're also using it, but just with the opposite opinion... So far you've basically said, "No, u!" to every time I've pointed out a fallacy you've used, while failing to demonstrate that you actually know what it means. The Alleged Certainty (not "Centainty", whatever that is) fallacy is claiming that your viewpoint is true because "everyone knows it". At no point have I alleged that "everyone knows" that my viewpoint is correct. Again, please educate yourself on these terms before you try to use them and wind up being completely wrong. You'll save us both a lot of time. LinkPizza posted... You're using the music example. But I'm talking about physical things. What music example and where are you talking about physical things? Please provide context to your sentences or quote what you're responding to, because otherwise it's impossible to tell what you're talking about when you suddenly change subjects like this. LinkPizza posted... Machines make the cars, but will still pay a ton for them. Machines put roombas together, and they still cost like $800 dollars. Because humans are involved in the process. Dude, I have pointed this out ages ago - money is a measure of human labour. If humans are completely removed from the process, then costs can and will drop to zero, but *unless and until that happens, yes, things will still cost money. Right now, robots do not mine out a bunch of resources and turn it into a roomba with no human involvement. Factories that make cars still have humans overseeing the process. So yes, they still cost money and trying to pretend that those are comparables to what I've been arguing is being deliberately disingenuous. LinkPizza posted...* I mean, many people already don't even like robots: Counterpoints: https://www.fastcompany.com/90236717/its-okay-to-love-robots https://360.here.com/how-human-like-will-the-robots-of-the-future-need-to-be https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/robots-human-relationships/583204/ LinkPizza posted... Though, its already not free since you usually have to pay for it in you home. Even on your phone, it's part of your phone bill. Go to a public library or Starbucks or one of a zillion other places that offer free wifi if you're that concerned about a small bill at the end of the month. More to the point, yes, those things are still free. If your friend buys you lunch, do you think, "This isn't actually free, since I bought him a birthday present last month and if I hadn't done that, he wouldn't be my friend and I wouldn't get this lunch"? No, those are two unrelated events. Or if you get a free sample at the supermarket, do you think, "This isn't free, I drove here and had to pay for gas for my car"? Of course not, that's dumb. When you pay for your phone, your power, your internet, you are paying for those things, not what you access with them. You might have to pay more for things online, or you might get things for free. Suggesting that it's not actually free because a phone bill exists is ridiculous hair-splitting and completely dodges the actual point of this tangent, which is that people are producing goods and spreading them at zero cost to the end user. That is only possible due to increases in technology. In ye olden times, if I wrote a book and I was inclined to give it away for free, I wouldn't be able to because simply making the book costs money. Nowadays, if I write a digital book I can make as many copies of it as I want, for zero dollars, because copy-and-paste is free. In theory, I could give a copy to every single person on the planet who had a device capable of reading it and neither they nor I would have to pay a dime. Robots are the next step in that evolution, where the last vestiges of human involvement in the supply chain can eventually be removed, allowing all costs to eventually reduce to zero. LinkPizza posted... And food and lodgings is usually what cost people the most. Depends on your income bracket, honestly. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:954206585] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote><quote>LinkPizza posted... And when I said literally everyone, it was obviously the figurative literally.</quote>Otherwise known as "figuratively", which is the opposite of "literally". Don't get upset at me because of your poor choice of words. <quote> LinkPizza posted... Also, if I'm using the Alleged Centainty fallacy, you're also using it, but just with the opposite opinion...</quote>So far you've basically said, "No, u!" to every time I've pointed out a fallacy you've used, while failing to demonstrate that you actually know what it means. The Alleged Certainty (not "Centainty", whatever that is) fallacy is claiming that your viewpoint is true because "everyone knows it". At no point have I alleged that "everyone knows" that my viewpoint is correct. Again, please educate yourself on these terms before you try to use them and wind up being completely wrong. You'll save us both a lot of time. <quote> LinkPizza posted... You're using the music example. But I'm talking about physical things.</quote>What music example and where are you talking about physical things? Please provide context to your sentences or quote what you're responding to, because otherwise it's impossible to tell what you're talking about when you suddenly change subjects like this. <quote> LinkPizza posted... Machines make the cars, but will still pay a ton for them. Machines put roombas together, and they still cost like $800 dollars.</quote>Because humans are involved in the process. Dude, I have pointed this out ages ago - money is a measure of human labour. If humans are completely removed from the process, then costs can and will drop to zero, but unless and until that happens, yes, things will still cost money. Right now, robots do not mine out a bunch of resources and turn it into a roomba with no human involvement. Factories that make cars still have humans overseeing the process. So yes, they still cost money and trying to pretend that those are comparables to what I've been arguing is being deliberately disingenuous. <quote> LinkPizza posted... I mean, many people already don't even like robots:</quote>Counterpoints: https://www.fastcompany.com/90236717/its-okay-to-love-robots https://360.here.com/how-human-like-will-the-robots-of-the-future-need-to-be https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/robots-human-relationships/583204/ <quote> LinkPizza posted... Though, its already not free since you usually have to pay for it in you home. Even on your phone, it's part of your phone bill.</quote>Go to a public library or Starbucks or one of a zillion other places that offer free wifi if you're that concerned about a small bill at the end of the month. More to the point, yes, those things are still free. If your friend buys you lunch, do you think, "This isn't actually free, since I bought him a birthday present last month and if I hadn't done that, he wouldn't be my friend and I wouldn't get this lunch"? No, those are two unrelated events. Or if you get a free sample at the supermarket, do you think, "This isn't free, I drove here and had to pay for gas for my car"? Of course not, that's dumb. When you pay for your phone, your power, your internet, you are paying for those things, not what you access with them. You might have to pay more for things online, or you might get things for free. Suggesting that it's not actually free because a phone bill exists is ridiculous hair-splitting and completely dodges the actual point of this tangent, which is that people are producing goods and spreading them at zero cost to the end user. That is only possible due to increases in technology. In ye olden times, if I wrote a book and I was inclined to give it away for free, I wouldn't be able to because simply making the book costs money. Nowadays, if I write a digital book I can make as many copies of it as I want, for zero dollars, because copy-and-paste is free. In theory, I could give a copy to every single person on the planet who had a device capable of reading it and neither they nor I would have to pay a dime. Robots are the next step in that evolution, where the last vestiges of human involvement in the supply chain can eventually be removed, allowing all costs to eventually reduce to zero. <quote> LinkPizza posted... And food and lodgings is usually what cost people the most.</quote>Depends on your income bracket, honestly. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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