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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109 05/09/21 4:22:32 AM #172:	LinkPizza posted... Theyll probably make the games and let the AI help or whatever If they want to, sure. No one is saying that humans will be barred from doing these things in the future, simply that they will do it as hobbyists rather than because they have to have a job in order to survive. LinkPizza posted... Except its not a simple statement of fact since all they use to do before (and probably still do) and take other ideas and use those to make stuff. What isn't a simple statement of fact? Please provide context to your sentences or quote what you're responding to, because otherwise it's impossible to tell what you're talking about when you suddenly change subjects like this. LinkPizza posted... Like how they did with those stories and videos I saw It was just an absurd mix of everything it took in instead of using what it took in to create something new Sure... because you're looking at a present day AI, while talking about future tech and making the bizarre assertion that they're one and the same. That's sort of like saying that because my computer doesn't have a 100 terrabyte hard drive right now I will never be able to own a computer that has a 100 terrabyte hard drive. Can an AI program a decent video game today with no human interaction? No, that technology is decades in the future right now. Which is why this entire tangent was predicated on occurring in a fully automated future, something that isn't going to happen any time soon. You seem to have forgotten that and are pretending like this discussion about video game tech is based on current-day AI, not future-AI. LinkPizza posted... Also, I obviously dont think they are perfect. I think they wont make mistakes because the humans will be there to keep an eye on things, not because they are perfect. Ah, so your argument is, "AI aren't perfect but will never make mistakes, because the humans watching them are perfect." That's impressive because you managed to construct an entire argument based on two incorrect pretenses. LinkPizza posted... And I had some civilian friends, but most of them of trouble. Please translate this sentence into English. LinkPizza posted... Why would I not hang out with them and force my self to find other friends who I probably wont like. You tell me - you're the one who's suggesting that the only way you can interact with your friends is through work. If that is not the case, then there's no problem with you not having a job to do in the automated future. You'll still be able to hang out with your friends, it just won't be at work - something you've already admitted is not a precondition to you hanging out. LinkPizza posted... I cant actually do my job as a hobby if AI took it. Nor would I want to. Then what's the problem? You're behaving like a toddler at this point. "I wanna do my job!" "Then you can keep doing it as a hobby." "No! I don't wanna do it as a hobby, I want someone to make me do it!" Seriously, if your job isn't your ideal way of passing time, then a fully automated future (which will eventually happen) is an upgrade, because you can start doing whatever you do like. Hobbies - old and new - hanging out with friends, visiting exotic destination in your self-driving vehicle, all for free. You have no reason to cower in fear of the future. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:953716494] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote> LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Theyll probably make the games and let the AI help or whatever</quote>If they want to, sure. No one is saying that humans will be barred from doing these things in the future, simply that they will do it as hobbyists rather than because they have to have a job in order to survive. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Except its not a simple statement of fact since all they use to do before (and probably still do) and take other ideas and use those to make stuff.</quote>What isn't a simple statement of fact? Please provide context to your sentences or quote what you're responding to, because otherwise it's impossible to tell what you're talking about when you suddenly change subjects like this. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Like how they did with those stories and videos I saw It was just an absurd mix of everything it took in instead of using what it took in to create something new</quote>Sure... because you're looking at a present day AI, while talking about future tech and making the bizarre assertion that they're one and the same. That's sort of like saying that because my computer doesn't have a 100 terrabyte hard drive right now I will never be able to own a computer that has a 100 terrabyte hard drive. Can an AI program a decent video game today with no human interaction? No, that technology is decades in the future right now. Which is why this entire tangent was predicated on occurring in a fully automated future, something that isn't going to happen any time soon. You seem to have forgotten that and are pretending like this discussion about video game tech is based on current-day AI, not future-AI. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Also, I obviously dont think they are perfect. I think they wont make mistakes because the humans will be there to keep an eye on things, not because they are perfect.</quote>Ah, so your argument is, "AI aren't perfect but will never make mistakes, because the humans watching them are perfect." That's impressive because you managed to construct an entire argument based on two incorrect pretenses. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>And I had some civilian friends, but most of them of trouble.</quote>Please translate this sentence into English. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Why would I not hang out with them and force my self to find other friends who I probably wont like.</quote>You tell me - you're the one who's suggesting that the only way you can interact with your friends is through work. If that is not the case, then there's no problem with you not having a job to do in the automated future. You'll still be able to hang out with your friends, it just won't be at work - something you've already admitted is not a precondition to you hanging out. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>I cant actually do my job as a hobby if AI took it. Nor would I want to.</quote>Then what's the problem? You're behaving like a toddler at this point. "I wanna do my job!" "Then you can keep doing it as a hobby." "No! I don't wanna do it as a hobby, I want someone to make me do it!" Seriously, if your job isn't your ideal way of passing time, then a fully automated future (which will eventually happen) is an upgrade, because you can start doing whatever you do like. Hobbies - old and new - hanging out with friends, visiting exotic destination in your self-driving vehicle, all for free. You have no reason to cower in fear of the future. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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