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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109 05/01/21 4:25:08 AM #151:	LinkPizza posted... Others that you buy will probably be an expensive as cheap cars. They dont seem like theyd be cheap to make. And whoever made them will want a profit. And thats if you buy it. But who said you can buy it. Again, why are you using future tense for this? You're acting like these robots are future tech rather than something that's commercially available, right this very second. Here you go, if you have roughly $25,000 (depending on options/applications), you too can be the proud owner of a learning robot: https://www.active8robots.com/robots/sawyer-robot-uk/buy-sawyer-robot/ LinkPizza posted... Free is a nice thought, but one that will never come true Just like the vroombra. And here's where I reveal my cunning deception - "Vroomba" is actually a real product, cunningly disguised by myself as a hypothetical. It's real name is "Roomba" and you can, in fact, have one vacuum your home entirely for free. LinkPizza posted... You the disingenuous one if you really think things will be free for no reason. Fortunately, I don't think that. I think they will be free for many reasons. I've articulated some of them in this post. LinkPizza posted... If they were true, many things would already be free. You mean things like music, pictures, videos, stories, e-mail accounts, TV shows, video games, porn, online forums, video conferencing software, social media, podcasts, and news? Because I hate to be the one to break it to you, but there's this thing called "the internet" where all of the above is available for free, in quantities so large that people are literally creating and releasing it faster than any person could ever hope to consume it. That's really the part of this you're refusing to acknowledge. Anything that can be digitized or automated quickly has its costs rounded down to zero. According to you that shouldn't be happening, because people always demand money... yet it is and has been for decades. LinkPizza posted... As for the seed to dinner plate, are you saying its going to grow a full plate in the course of an hour while making dinner? No, I'm saying you'll already have plates available that your robot will make use of. Or hell, maybe it comes with its own full serving set just for convenience, whatever you want. Unless you eat every meal off a paper plate, you don't pay for a new plate every single meal. I have no idea why you thought this was a good point to raise. LinkPizza posted... And what about meat? And cheese? And where do you get the seeds? None of that requires human hands. Robots can tend the livestock and harvest the crops. We don't pay animals now for their meat or their cheese, nor plants for their seeds. There is no reason why that will change in the future. And all of those things reproduce themselves for free (which, you'll note, is the exact same process robots could be taking). LinkPizza posted... Especially since the computer might know if someone is playing aggressively, passively, offensively, or defensively Please explain how those terms apply to the game of Go. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:953430920] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Others that you buy will probably be an expensive as cheap cars. They dont seem like theyd be cheap to make. And whoever made them will want a profit. And thats if you buy it. But who said you can buy it.</quote>Again, why are you using future tense for this? You're acting like these robots are future tech rather than something that's commercially available, right this very second. Here you go, if you have roughly $25,000 (depending on options/applications), you too can be the proud owner of a learning robot: https://www.active8robots.com/robots/sawyer-robot-uk/buy-sawyer-robot/ LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Free is a nice thought, but one that will never come true Just like the vroombra.</quote>And here's where I reveal my cunning deception - "Vroomba" is actually a real product, cunningly disguised by myself as a hypothetical. It's real name is "Roomba" and you can, in fact, have one vacuum your home entirely for free. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>You the disingenuous one if you really think things will be free for no reason.</quote>Fortunately, I don't think that. I think they will be free for many reasons. I've articulated some of them in this post. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>If they were true, many things would already be free.</quote>You mean things like music, pictures, videos, stories, e-mail accounts, TV shows, video games, porn, online forums, video conferencing software, social media, podcasts, and news? Because I hate to be the one to break it to you, but there's this thing called "the internet" where all of the above is available for free, in quantities so large that people are literally creating and releasing it faster than any person could ever hope to consume it. That's really the part of this you're refusing to acknowledge. Anything that can be digitized or automated quickly has its costs rounded down to zero. According to you that shouldn't be happening, because people always demand money... yet it is and has been for decades. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>As for the seed to dinner plate, are you saying its going to grow a full plate in the course of an hour while making dinner?</quote>No, I'm saying you'll already have plates available that your robot will make use of. Or hell, maybe it comes with its own full serving set just for convenience, whatever you want. Unless you eat every meal off a paper plate, you don't pay for a new plate every single meal. I have no idea why you thought this was a good point to raise. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>And what about meat? And cheese? And where do you get the seeds?</quote>None of that requires human hands. Robots can tend the livestock and harvest the crops. We don't pay animals now for their meat or their cheese, nor plants for their seeds. There is no reason why that will change in the future. And all of those things reproduce themselves for free (which, you'll note, is the exact same process robots could be taking). LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Especially since the computer might know if someone is playing aggressively, passively, offensively, or defensively</quote>Please explain how those terms apply to the game of Go. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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