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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109 04/24/21 8:24:50 AM #141:	LinkPizza posted... Like some people will do better at cooking since they might not tell anyone (including AI), their secrets (whether its an ingredient or secret technique that normally wouldnt make sense). Sure, a high-end chef with Michelin stars to his name might be able to make that claim. The overwhemling majority of commercial chefs simply follow a recipe that an AI could easily learn and that is good enough for 90+% of the population. Moreover, since AI can communicate, an AI can learn how you like your dishes prepared and adjust its recipes accordingly, even if you are at a restaurant on an entirely different continent. It's like your own personal chef following you, which is something a human cannot match. LinkPizza posted... And technically, people can do better than self-checkout when people have a full cart. "Better" by what metric? "Faster"? Sure, probably, at least with current self-checkout carts (though check back in a few years when automatic debiting is ready for rollout). "Cost effective?" AI wins there, even with a full cart. A system that is twice as slow as a human is still more efficient if it's 10x cheaper. Hence why, as you've observed, a lot of cashiers have lost their jobs to self-checkouts. LinkPizza posted... Caught up? What the hell are you talking about. This is what Ive been saying FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. There will always be money because currency of some kind will be needed. And that currency will be money. Why make a new currency when you already have one. OK, I guess you're not quite caught-up yet if you still haven't figured out that money can only exist in a world where there is human labour available to earn it... LinkPizza posted... How can they program themselves without knowing how to program. They do know how to program. That's not even a new development. How do you think learning AI works? It has to be able to program itself in order to actually "learn" a lesson. LinkPizza posted... The reason they should be perfect every time is because they are supposed to be better than humans. So, they should be perfect every time. Why do you continue to conflate "better" with "perfect"? Those are not even close to the same thing. At this point, you're just being deliberately obtuse on this. LinkPizza posted... And I know you can program them to go faster. Then why did you raise the point that they're slower? The speed they go is entirely a human choice. You seem to already know that, so why are you arguing this? LinkPizza posted... And I dont see them being common anytime soon, either Not for maybe a couple decades. You're grossly underestimating the financial interests that are pushing this. Some of the biggest companies on the planet want to see this technology go live. Uber has based their entire business around it. If you think this isn't coming - and coming soon - you're being wilfully delusional. Again, these cars are on the roads right now. They are already around you and they will only be growing more common with each passing year (especially with COVID pushing an automation boom at the moment). --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:953173586] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Like some people will do better at cooking since they might not tell anyone (including AI), their secrets (whether its an ingredient or secret technique that normally wouldnt make sense).</quote>Sure, a high-end chef with Michelin stars to his name might be able to make that claim. The overwhemling majority of commercial chefs simply follow a recipe that an AI could easily learn and that is good enough for 90+% of the population. Moreover, since AI can communicate, an AI can learn how you like your dishes prepared and adjust its recipes accordingly, even if you are at a restaurant on an entirely different continent. It's like your own personal chef following you, which is something a human cannot match. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>And technically, people can do better than self-checkout when people have a full cart.</quote>"Better" by what metric? "Faster"? Sure, probably, at least with current self-checkout carts (though check back in a few years when automatic debiting is ready for rollout). "Cost effective?" AI wins there, even with a full cart. A system that is twice as slow as a human is still more efficient if it's 10x cheaper. Hence why, as you've observed, a lot of cashiers have lost their jobs to self-checkouts. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Caught up? What the hell are you talking about. This is what Ive been saying FROM THE VERY BEGINNING. There will always be money because currency of some kind will be needed. And that currency will be money. Why make a new currency when you already have one.</quote>OK, I guess you're not quite caught-up yet if you still haven't figured out that money can only exist in a world where there is human labour available to earn it... LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>How can they program themselves without knowing how to program.</quote>They do know how to program. That's not even a new development. How do you think learning AI works? It has to be able to program itself in order to actually "learn" a lesson. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>The reason they should be perfect every time is because they are supposed to be better than humans. So, they should be perfect every time.</quote>Why do you continue to conflate "better" with "perfect"? Those are not even close to the same thing. At this point, you're just being deliberately obtuse on this. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>And I know you can program them to go faster.</quote>Then why did you raise the point that they're slower? The speed they go is entirely a human choice. You seem to already know that, so why are you arguing this? LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>And I dont see them being common anytime soon, either Not for maybe a couple decades.</quote>You're grossly underestimating the financial interests that are pushing this. Some of the biggest companies on the planet want to see this technology go live. Uber has based their entire business around it. If you think this isn't coming - and coming soon - you're being wilfully delusional. Again, these cars are on the roads right now. They are already around you and they will only be growing more common with each passing year (especially with COVID pushing an automation boom at the moment). --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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