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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109 04/14/21 9:08:32 PM #136:	LinkPizza posted... Also, I dont want my game to always give me what I desired. Some of the best things are when games do something so unpredictable and make you mad. Or feel despair, in some cases And an AI could very much do that as well. Again, anything a human programmer can do, an AI of sufficient skill would be able to do just as well. LinkPizza posted... It probably will for many people, though Then those people don't have to write or create; they can go do something else that they find fulfilling instead and let other people and/or the AI take care of it. LinkPizza posted... No. I wont. I cant because I dont know anything about you, or have seen others things you have done. Or have proof. Many of them had talked about other things (maybe other videos), or had go to school for it. Ill wait until I can see my BF and talk to him about it As for mentioning it, Im mentioning what the people in the video said. Who I do trust that have a backing in music. So, it wasnt without someone who knew music So do you listen to music because other people say that it's high-quality? Or do you listen to it because you personally think it sounds good? The overwhelming majority of the population will say that it's the latter. They don't really care if the music is formulaic (which even most popular human-written music today is); they just care that it sounds good to them. An AI is capable of replicating that today. And it's continually improving. LinkPizza posted... Target and Wal-mart? Yeah. They would have more people using them. So they should get more of them Hence why its weird that they dont have more. And there has to be a good reason My guess is because they've hit the cost-efficiency curve. After all, even if they fully-automated checkout, they need people in the store to do other things (stock shelves, man delis, clean up messes, open locked cabinets for higher-priced items, answer customer questions, and so on) - those aren't full time jobs, so having those people man the tills when those tasks aren't required is a way to keep those people busy and productive when there's nothing else for them to do. Some customers, such as the disabled, also can't readily make use of the current generation of self-checkout machines, so human alternatives are still required. That won't last forever, though. There's already experimental designs on fully automatic stores that will simply automatically detect what you're taking from the store and debit your credit card as you walk out, no interaction from you required. Those sorts of techs aren't ready for prime time yet, but those sorts of issues are already being looked at. And, as you already pointed out, retailers are looking at how to automate those other tasks I just mentioned as well. We're already seeing a shade of this with Amazon's automated warehouses. The day may come where, instead of walking into a grocery store, you simply go to a website, order the things you want, and a robot delivers it to your door a few minutes later. LinkPizza posted... Really? When? Well, you do it again in two sentences, so, again, I'm not sure why you're still insisting on arguing the point. LinkPizza posted... Except its not in the long run. So? Not all customers or all businesses have the luxury of worrying about "the long run" - some just need a cheap solution now and don't care if it eventually has a shorter shelf life, because they'll replace it with the next cheapest solution when it eventually dies. If you don't like the Lamborghini example, ask yourself why anyone would ever buy a used Honda Civic instead of a new one. After all, the used one won't last as long and will be harder to find parts for in the long run. Yet there's still a booming trade in used vehicles. Why? Because they're cheaper. Because low up-front costs sometimes justify higher back-end costs. If you need a car now and simply don't have the money to plunk down on the newest, shiniest model, you get what your budget will allow. People don't decide to live in rental houses instead of buying because it's a good decision financially; people do it because they don't have the money for a downpayment on a mortgage and need a roof over their head. LinkPizza posted... Of you getting sleepy, but not the other person. Any visual sign significant enough for a person to pick up on that another driver is falling asleep is something that an AI will be able to just as easily identify. As that tech shows, they can already pick up incredibly subtle signs of falling asleep that a person in the same vehicle would miss; they are just as capable of doing that with other people's vehicles as well. Not to mention, a semi-autonomous vehicle (i.e. one that still has a manual driver) could signal other autonomous cars and say, "Hey, my driver is falling asleep/appears to be unconscious/may be in medical distress, watch out!", something that humans could not do. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:952841437] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Also, I dont want my game to always give me what I desired. Some of the best things are when games do something so unpredictable and make you mad. Or feel despair, in some cases</quote>And an AI could very much do that as well. Again, anything a human programmer can do, an AI of sufficient skill would be able to do just as well. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>It probably will for many people, though</quote>Then those people don't have to write or create; they can go do something else that they find fulfilling instead and let other people and/or the AI take care of it. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>No. I wont. I cant because I dont know anything about you, or have seen others things you have done. Or have proof. Many of them had talked about other things (maybe other videos), or had go to school for it. Ill wait until I can see my BF and talk to him about it As for mentioning it, Im mentioning what the people in the video said. Who I do trust that have a backing in music. So, it wasnt without someone who knew music</quote>So do you listen to music because other people say that it's high-quality? Or do you listen to it because you personally think it sounds good? The overwhelming majority of the population will say that it's the latter. They don't really care if the music is formulaic (which even most popular human-written music today is); they just care that it sounds good to them. An AI is capable of replicating that today. And it's continually improving. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Target and Wal-mart? Yeah. They would have more people using them. So they should get more of them Hence why its weird that they dont have more. And there has to be a good reason</quote>My guess is because they've hit the cost-efficiency curve. After all, even if they fully-automated checkout, they need people in the store to do other things (stock shelves, man delis, clean up messes, open locked cabinets for higher-priced items, answer customer questions, and so on) - those aren't full time jobs, so having those people man the tills when those tasks aren't required is a way to keep those people busy and productive when there's nothing else for them to do. Some customers, such as the disabled, also can't readily make use of the current generation of self-checkout machines, so human alternatives are still required. That won't last forever, though. There's already experimental designs on fully automatic stores that will simply automatically detect what you're taking from the store and debit your credit card as you walk out, no interaction from you required. Those sorts of techs aren't ready for prime time yet, but those sorts of issues are already being looked at. And, as you already pointed out, retailers are looking at how to automate those other tasks I just mentioned as well. We're already seeing a shade of this with Amazon's automated warehouses. The day may come where, instead of walking into a grocery store, you simply go to a website, order the things you want, and a robot delivers it to your door a few minutes later. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Really? When?</quote>Well, you do it again in two sentences, so, again, I'm not sure why you're still insisting on arguing the point. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Except its not in the long run.</quote>So? Not all customers or all businesses have the luxury of worrying about "the long run" - some just need a cheap solution now and don't care if it eventually has a shorter shelf life, because they'll replace it with the next cheapest solution when it eventually dies. If you don't like the Lamborghini example, ask yourself why anyone would ever buy a used Honda Civic instead of a new one. After all, the used one won't last as long and will be harder to find parts for in the long run. Yet there's still a booming trade in used vehicles. Why? Because they're cheaper. Because low up-front costs sometimes justify higher back-end costs. If you need a car now and simply don't have the money to plunk down on the newest, shiniest model, you get what your budget will allow. People don't decide to live in rental houses instead of buying because it's a good decision financially; people do it because they don't have the money for a downpayment on a mortgage and need a roof over their head. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Of you getting sleepy, but not the other person.</quote>Any visual sign significant enough for a person to pick up on that another driver is falling asleep is something that an AI will be able to just as easily identify. As that tech shows, they can already pick up incredibly subtle signs of falling asleep that a person in the same vehicle would miss; they are just as capable of doing that with other people's vehicles as well. Not to mention, a semi-autonomous vehicle (i.e. one that still has a manual driver) could signal other autonomous cars and say, "Hey, my driver is falling asleep/appears to be unconscious/may be in medical distress, watch out!", something that humans could not do. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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