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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
LinkPizza 04/05/21 11:23:10 PM #117:	darkknight109 posted... Humans make art exactly the same as AI, it's just that human algorithms are currently more advanced than AI equivalents. Jigsaw was kind enough to post an example of AI-generated music, something that is almost indistinguishable from the human-generated version. Not all AI products are those crude "mash-ups" that you've probably seen from AI that's simple enough to be released for people's idle amusement on the internet. Here's some others: https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAfLCTRuh7U (click to expand) I don't enough about music to say what it is. My boyfriend does, but I'm not with him now. He knows a lot about music, and piano is his specialty. So, I only have heard the ones where people have explained how they made it... darkknight109 posted... Not necessarily, for reasons I previously explained. Perhaps they don't want to go through the research and downtime of upgrading. Perhaps they want to wait for the tech to get cheaper, because they believe that tech improvements and efficiencies will exceed the depreciation of purchased assets. Or maybe the CEO just didn't feel like bothering because the savings weren't significant enough for him to care. CEOs aren't robots (yet), so they are not guaranteed to make the most logical move at every single prompt. If they only had like a couple registers, that would make sense. But there shouldn't be any downtime. They'd be working in the area where the cashiers use to be. Some where like Wal-Mart where you have 20 registers needing people to work, but only having 2-3 people working them means you can easier close off just that section to work. And you can do it multiple times. And they probably wouldn't need to do much research as 1, people do that for them. And 2, they apparently already have some. So, they do like them to some degree... Unless they really hate them and that's why some stores don't have them, and many only have a few of them... darkknight109 posted... Again, this is not historically accurate. Computers, TVs, cell phones, printers, scanners, and other such tech become cheaper as time goes on, not more expensive. Well, that's not true at all. When I got my iphone 6, it wasn't $1000 like the new iphones are. The smartphones I see are always getting more expensive than the previous ones. Game consoles, too... As they make better headsets for gaming, those also seem to get more expensive. Most of the newer stuff is better, but also more expensive. Because the parts are probably more expensive, as well... And if they have any shortages, they probably don't help much, either... darkknight109 posted... AI can literally do all of the things you just claimed it couldn't do and can do so faster and more accurately than a human can. And, for what it's worth, the number of accidents that would be averted by the ability to accurately read someone's facial expression, of all things, is probably less than one a decade. I'm 100% sure its not that low. And I think a human can read facial expression better than the car for now. Maybe later than can. But for now, humans would do that better, as I think the car is focusing on other things around it... Like just sensing any obstacles instead of trying to read said obstacle's face... darkknight109 posted... "It's kind of hard to describe" because you're making up a problem that doesn't exist, then expecting me to answer for it. No, your hypothetical has no basis in reality. If you want me to believe otherwise, show some proof. No. It exist. And it's more likely to happen to AI since they are talking to each other, which would be an easy way to make a chain reaction... I'd be able to describe if I could draw anything other than animal faces and a boy made from the word boy. Or if I had figurines. Maybe I'll try to make and upload a video of it. darkknight109 posted... Is your brother an AI? Because if not, you've just admitted that this problem isn't a new one and, as such, is not an issue with AI. An AI-caused crash is just as easy to sort through as a human-caused one. Technically it's easier, because the AI cars has sensors and logs and camera files you can pore through to work out who was actually at fault, which are features humans don't have. The problem is it could still happen with an AI when the unexpected happens. And if the AI doesn't know it caused it accident because it was busy avoiding another accident, it could end up leaving the scene for somebody else self-driving car to take the blame... And even then, it becomes a pain to try to get certain people to take the blame. Just like human, they'll pass the blame around. It would suck if you get in trouble because of a decision your self-driving car made on it's own... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:952512780] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Humans make art exactly the same as AI, it's just that human algorithms are currently more advanced than AI equivalents. Jigsaw was kind enough to post an example of AI-generated music, something that is almost indistinguishable from the human-generated version. Not all AI products are those crude "mash-ups" that you've probably seen from AI that's simple enough to be released for people's idle amusement on the internet. Here's some others: https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HAfLCTRuh7U (click to expand) </quote> I don't enough about music to say what it is. My boyfriend does, but I'm not with him now. He knows a lot about music, and piano is his specialty. So, I only have heard the ones where people have explained how they made it... darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Not necessarily, for reasons I previously explained. Perhaps they don't want to go through the research and downtime of upgrading. Perhaps they want to wait for the tech to get cheaper, because they believe that tech improvements and efficiencies will exceed the depreciation of purchased assets. Or maybe the CEO just didn't feel like bothering because the savings weren't significant enough for him to care. CEOs aren't robots (yet), so they are not guaranteed to make the most logical move at every single prompt.</quote> If they only had like a couple registers, that would make sense. But there shouldn't be any downtime. They'd be working in the area where the cashiers use to be. Some where like Wal-Mart where you have 20 registers needing people to work, but only having 2-3 people working them means you can easier close off just that section to work. And you can do it multiple times. And they probably wouldn't need to do much research as 1, people do that for them. And 2, they apparently already have some. So, they do like them to some degree... Unless they really hate them and that's why some stores don't have them, and many only have a few of them... darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Again, this is not historically accurate. Computers, TVs, cell phones, printers, scanners, and other such tech become cheaper as time goes on, not more expensive. </quote> Well, that's not true at all. When I got my iphone 6, it wasn't $1000 like the new iphones are. The smartphones I see are always getting more expensive than the previous ones. Game consoles, too... As they make better headsets for gaming, those also seem to get more expensive. Most of the newer stuff is better, but also more expensive. Because the parts are probably more expensive, as well... And if they have any shortages, they probably don't help much, either... darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>AI can literally do all of the things you just claimed it couldn't do and can do so faster and more accurately than a human can. And, for what it's worth, the number of accidents that would be averted by the ability to accurately read someone's facial expression, of all things, is probably less than one a decade.</quote> I'm 100% sure its not that low. And I think a human can read facial expression better than the car for now. Maybe later than can. But for now, humans would do that better, as I think the car is focusing on other things around it... Like just sensing any obstacles instead of trying to read said obstacle's face... darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>"It's kind of hard to describe" because you're making up a problem that doesn't exist, then expecting me to answer for it. No, your hypothetical has no basis in reality. If you want me to believe otherwise, show some proof.</quote> No. It exist. And it's more likely to happen to AI since they are talking to each other, which would be an easy way to make a chain reaction... I'd be able to describe if I could draw anything other than animal faces and a boy made from the word boy. Or if I had figurines. Maybe I'll try to make and upload a video of it. darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Is your brother an AI? Because if not, you've just admitted that this problem isn't a new one and, as such, is not an issue with AI. An AI-caused crash is just as easy to sort through as a human-caused one. Technically it's easier, because the AI cars has sensors and logs and camera files you can pore through to work out who was actually at fault, which are features humans don't have.</quote> The problem is it could still happen with an AI when the unexpected happens. And if the AI doesn't know it caused it accident because it was busy avoiding another accident, it could end up leaving the scene for somebody else self-driving car to take the blame... And even then, it becomes a pain to try to get certain people to take the blame. Just like human, they'll pass the blame around. It would suck if you get in trouble because of a decision your self-driving car made on it's own... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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