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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109 04/05/21 5:19:51 PM #114:	LinkPizza posted... The older ones will. But the newer one will usually get more expensive. Again, this is not historically accurate. Computers, TVs, cell phones, printers, scanners, and other such tech become cheaper as time goes on, not more expensive. LinkPizza posted... They can do things the AI can't. Like reading fcial expressions and body language of peolpe in cars. And pedestrians, as well. AI can literally do all of the things you just claimed it couldn't do and can do so faster and more accurately than a human can. And, for what it's worth, the number of accidents that would be averted by the ability to accurately read someone's facial expression, of all things, is probably less than one a decade. LinkPizza posted... What I am saying is in certain cases, it could end up causing some weird chain reactions where all of the cars end up moving, which could cause and even bigger mess another way. Where in the case on human drivers, it might just be one car hitting another since the other won't all move. It's kind of hard to describe... "It's kind of hard to describe" because you're making up a problem that doesn't exist, then expecting me to answer for it. No, your hypothetical has no basis in reality. If you want me to believe otherwise, show some proof. LinkPizza posted... Because it depends on if the person who started it is still there or not. Because in a larger chain reaction, the first car might not even stay. It might not even know it caused it. Which then means it's shifts blame. Happened to my brother. Is your brother an AI? Because if not, you've just admitted that this problem isn't a new one and, as such, is not an issue with AI. An AI-caused crash is just as easy to sort through as a human-caused one. Technically it's easier, because the AI cars has sensors and logs and camera files you can pore through to work out who was actually at fault, which are features humans don't have. LinkPizza posted... When I said to show me a bus that had all those things, I meant all of them. And all of them together. And without a driver, since that's how you said it would be in that other topic, IIRC. This is some serious goalpost moving. You're now asking me to come up with a comprehensive list of a bunch of features you haven't specified and also asking me to answer for a different random topic that you're referencing that I don't even know if I was involved with and you haven't linked to. No, I'm not doing that. And I don't need to. Self-driving buses are being implemented in cities. That is unarguable fact. Any quibble you come up with - be it price, handicap accessibility, or some other factor - has already been considered and dealt with; if it hadn't, these buses wouldn't be getting implemented, because cash-strapped city governments are not going to put in transit programs that are more expensive and have no tangible benefits. The very fact that self-driving buses are already being rolled out is proof that they work and are cost-effective. And that transition is only going to go one way: forward. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:952500597] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>The older ones will. But the newer one will usually get more expensive.</quote>Again, this is not historically accurate. Computers, TVs, cell phones, printers, scanners, and other such tech become cheaper as time goes on, not more expensive. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>They can do things the AI can't. Like reading fcial expressions and body language of peolpe in cars. And pedestrians, as well.</quote>AI can literally do all of the things you just claimed it couldn't do and can do so faster and more accurately than a human can. And, for what it's worth, the number of accidents that would be averted by the ability to accurately read someone's facial expression, of all things, is probably less than one a decade. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>What I am saying is in certain cases, it could end up causing some weird chain reactions where all of the cars end up moving, which could cause and even bigger mess another way. Where in the case on human drivers, it might just be one car hitting another since the other won't all move. It's kind of hard to describe...</quote>"It's kind of hard to describe" because you're making up a problem that doesn't exist, then expecting me to answer for it. No, your hypothetical has no basis in reality. If you want me to believe otherwise, show some proof. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Because it depends on if the person who started it is still there or not. Because in a larger chain reaction, the first car might not even stay. It might not even know it caused it. Which then means it's shifts blame. Happened to my brother.</quote>Is your brother an AI? Because if not, you've just admitted that this problem isn't a new one and, as such, is not an issue with AI. An AI-caused crash is just as easy to sort through as a human-caused one. Technically it's easier, because the AI cars has sensors and logs and camera files you can pore through to work out who was actually at fault, which are features humans don't have. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>When I said to show me a bus that had all those things, I meant all of them. And all of them together. And without a driver, since that's how you said it would be in that other topic, IIRC.</quote>This is some serious goalpost moving. You're now asking me to come up with a comprehensive list of a bunch of features you haven't specified and also asking me to answer for a different random topic that you're referencing that I don't even know if I was involved with and you haven't linked to. No, I'm not doing that. And I don't need to. Self-driving buses are being implemented in cities. That is unarguable fact. Any quibble you come up with - be it price, handicap accessibility, or some other factor - has already been considered and dealt with; if it hadn't, these buses wouldn't be getting implemented, because cash-strapped city governments are not going to put in transit programs that are more expensive and have no tangible benefits. The very fact that self-driving buses are already being rolled out is proof that they work and are cost-effective. And that transition is only going to go one way: forward. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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