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TopicControversial Opinion #4: Automation
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04/04/21 11:13:32 PM
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darkknight109 posted...
So do humans.

We require input data as well. A baby doesn't just come out of the chute and immediately start churning out amazing works of art. They need data to calibrate their language skills, data to understand how to produce art, data to understand what makes art good. A master artist - whether that's a painter, an author, a dancer, or something else - is a product of *decades* worth of data input, the same way an AI is. Humans don't get to create anything until they have enough baseline data to understand *how* to create something meaningful.

Humans do. But not the same as AI. Humans can usually make life experiences into art, whether it's a painting, music, or script. The AI stuff I've seen was them using data and basically mashing it together. While some humans do that, the best stuff isn't like that. When humans take from another source, they still change it enough to make it something new. Or similar, but still different and beautiful. Watching an AI write a youtube video was weird because it would try to do the same thing as the youtubers, but was still just kind of mixing the videos together...

darkknight109 posted...
And I've already explained to you why that is - a minimal savings, relative to other expenses, is not going to prompt the sort of swift industry transformation that a much more substantive savings will.

But is terms on money, it still makes more sense to do it now while things aren't needed, and then price raised later. And saving are savings. And even if it's not the most, it should still be a lot. And better to save now than waste money...

darkknight109 posted...
Technology gets *cheaper* the more widespread it is, not more expensive. Take a look at computer prices, or cell phone prices, or TV prices over time - after adjusting for inflation, they drop rapidly after adoption spreads (and it is that continually lowering price that fuels further market penetration).

The older ones will. But the newer one will usually get more expensive. Like phones. Every time a new phone would release, it was more expensive than the last. If you wanted to upgrade, it wasn't as bad, though...

darkknight109 posted...
Yes, it is. Ask any long haul trucking company and they will tell you that wages are ~60% of their expenses. Fuel tends to be next, followed by maintenance/upkeep/depreciation of resources, then overhead. A truck that can replace a $60k a year driver, while driving over 4x as many hours per year, is a huge incentive.

Sorry. I didn't make that clear. I was talking about bus drivers. Can't say much about truckers as that I don't know about. But for the bus company I work at, the drivers are the least expensive thing to worry about.

darkknight109 posted...
It's not an estimate; this is hard data based on vehicles already on the road today.

But until the road is actually filled with them so we can see it, it's an estimate. Maybe a closely accurate one based on data, but an estimate, none-the-less... And we won't know how accurate until they fill he road...

darkknight109 posted...
Yes, because there's fewer idiot humans doing dumb things, so the entire system will get safer.

This isn't really helping your case.

And human drivers can signal each other? Not with nearly as much fidelity and completeness as AI. This isn't even arguable.

They can do things the AI can't. Like reading fcial expressions and body language of peolpe in cars. And pedestrians, as well. And while self driving vehicles can probably read some of the pedestrians body language, it probably has more of a broad sense instead of something more nuanced...

darkknight109 posted...
Cars are already programmed to account for human stupidity. They're trained to anticipate things like cars or pedestrians running red lights/walking against a signal, cutting them off, etc., and they can anticipate and react to such actions far faster than the best human drivers could ever hope to, given that they have both a reaction time that can be measured in fractions of a millisecond, as well as a 360 degree field of view.

What I am saying is in certain cases, it could end up causing some weird chain reactions where all of the cars end up moving, which could cause and even bigger mess another way. Where in the case on human drivers, it might just be one car hitting another since the other won't all move. It's kind of hard to describe...
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