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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109 04/04/21 7:51:22 PM #104:	LinkPizza posted... Now would be the best time while you can still get it before it becomes even more expensive when all stores pretty much need them. Technology gets cheaper the more widespread it is, not more expensive. Take a look at computer prices, or cell phone prices, or TV prices over time - after adjusting for inflation, they drop rapidly after adoption spreads (and it is that continually lowering price that fuels further market penetration). LinkPizza posted... It's not their largest expense by a long shot. Yes, it is. Ask any long haul trucking company and they will tell you that wages are ~60% of their expenses. Fuel tends to be next, followed by maintenance/upkeep/depreciation of resources, then overhead. A truck that can replace a $60k a year driver, while driving over 4x as many hours per year, is a huge incentive. LinkPizza posted... It probably will change as it's an estimate. It's not an estimate; this is hard data based on vehicles already on the road today. LinkPizza posted... But how they act will change as more are on the road. Yes, because there's fewer idiot humans doing dumb things, so the entire system will get safer. This isn't really helping your case. And human drivers can signal each other? Not with nearly as much fidelity and completeness as AI. This isn't even arguable. LinkPizza posted... Or a pedestrian doing something dumb, causing a car to try to move out of the way, which causes a reaction with all of them, and could cause more of a mess... Because pedestrians will definitely do something dumb... Cars are already programmed to account for human stupidity. They're trained to anticipate things like cars or pedestrians running red lights/walking against a signal, cutting them off, etc., and they can anticipate and react to such actions far faster than the best human drivers could ever hope to, given that they have both a reaction time that can be measured in fractions of a millisecond, as well as a 360 degree field of view. LinkPizza posted... And that's why I'm saying insurance can get very confusing, especially when a chain reaction happens... Why would it be any different than today, when a multi-car pileup caused by human error happens? You work out which car(s) screwed up and its their insurance that is responsible. This is not nearly as complicated as you're trying to pretend it is. LinkPizza posted... Then show me the better ones, like I out in the rest of the quote you cut out... Google is just a few clicks away. Here's one that can fit 80 people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A4TmETLTc Here's some others: https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2019/03/self-driving-bus-begins-technical-trials-in-manchester/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-9wk6QTD1E https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2021/01/29/self-driving-tech-goes-to-transit-with-new-flyers-autonomous-electric-bus/?sh=6ee674d348db https://interestingengineering.com/self-driving-vehicles-for-urban-mobility-deployed-in-european-smart-cities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci4ekhVSbEI https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/25/driverless-electric-bus- hits-the-road-in-spanish-city-of-malaga --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:952469358] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote> LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Now would be the best time while you can still get it before it becomes even more expensive when all stores pretty much need them.</quote>Technology gets cheaper the more widespread it is, not more expensive. Take a look at computer prices, or cell phone prices, or TV prices over time - after adjusting for inflation, they drop rapidly after adoption spreads (and it is that continually lowering price that fuels further market penetration). LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>It's not their largest expense by a long shot.</quote>Yes, it is. Ask any long haul trucking company and they will tell you that wages are ~60% of their expenses. Fuel tends to be next, followed by maintenance/upkeep/depreciation of resources, then overhead. A truck that can replace a $60k a year driver, while driving over 4x as many hours per year, is a huge incentive. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>It probably will change as it's an estimate.</quote>It's not an estimate; this is hard data based on vehicles already on the road today. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>But how they act will change as more are on the road.</quote>Yes, because there's fewer idiot humans doing dumb things, so the entire system will get safer. This isn't really helping your case. And human drivers can signal each other? Not with nearly as much fidelity and completeness as AI. This isn't even arguable. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Or a pedestrian doing something dumb, causing a car to try to move out of the way, which causes a reaction with all of them, and could cause more of a mess... Because pedestrians will definitely do something dumb...</quote>Cars are already programmed to account for human stupidity. They're trained to anticipate things like cars or pedestrians running red lights/walking against a signal, cutting them off, etc., and they can anticipate and react to such actions far faster than the best human drivers could ever hope to, given that they have both a reaction time that can be measured in fractions of a millisecond, as well as a 360 degree field of view. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>And that's why I'm saying insurance can get very confusing, especially when a chain reaction happens...</quote>Why would it be any different than today, when a multi-car pileup caused by human error happens? You work out which car(s) screwed up and its their insurance that is responsible. This is not nearly as complicated as you're trying to pretend it is. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Then show me the better ones, like I out in the rest of the quote you cut out...</quote>Google is just a few clicks away. Here's one that can fit 80 people: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3A4TmETLTc Here's some others: https://eandt.theiet.org/content/articles/2019/03/self-driving-bus-begins-technical-trials-in-manchester/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-9wk6QTD1E https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2021/01/29/self-driving-tech-goes-to-transit-with-new-flyers-autonomous-electric-bus/?sh=6ee674d348db https://interestingengineering.com/self-driving-vehicles-for-urban-mobility-deployed-in-european-smart-cities https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ci4ekhVSbEI https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/feb/25/driverless-electric-bus- hits-the-road-in-spanish-city-of-malaga --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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