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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109 04/04/21 3:09:19 PM #94:	LinkPizza posted... . And even then, many interest cost some kind of starting fund. Which nobody will have any money for... Again, fully automated world, money doesn't exist. Want to get into painting? A robot will make you some paints, an easel, and a palette. Baseball more your thing? A robot will make you a glove, a bat, and a ball. Board games? Musical instruments? Photography? Any "start-up" costs can be taken care of via automated labour, effectively for free. LinkPizza posted... Yes. You absolutely can. Producing everything for free means everything is profit for them. And they'll try to keep it like that. making all the money without having to use any... Just because you aren't greedy doesn't mean others aren't. So, they powerful will definitely try to keep money around so that they;ll till be in power. It's nave to think they'll be fine with just letting everything be free. Sometimes, people will find a cheaper way to mass produce something. But they'll leave the price the same. Because it means more profit to them. Even it the product winds up being shittier... Because money... Greed - and commerce - requires other people to have money. If I want to sell my new invention for 100 DKDollars, but no one else in the world has DKDollars, then I can't exactly charge money for it anymore. Same thing here. In a fully automated world, robots take over all the jobs. No human jobs means no human income, which ultimately means no human money. Fortunately, since money is simply recompense for human labour, this is not an issue because there is no human labour anymore. LinkPizza posted... Just because some games and stories suck doesn't mean the robots are better. Just means that some suck. But the best games and stories are by people. At the moment, yes, this is true. But you're talking about a fully automated future. We've already proved that robots can make art and games; now they just need to learn more and get better at it. They will surpass us one day and it will probably be in decades, not centuries. LinkPizza posted... There's no lie. You're lying if you think that's a lie. You claimed that no one would want to make games and write stories for free, which is ignoring that there are lots of people today who make games and write stories for free, largely because they find it interesting. That's why I called it a lie. LinkPizza posted... People will always make better stories and games... Because people do they best to come up with something original. So what is inherent in our biological grey-matter computers that allows us to come up with "original" ideas that is impossible to replicate in a sufficiently advanced AI? LinkPizza posted... But self-checkout isn't pushed everywhere yet. I never claimed that it was and I'm not really sure why you went on this side-tangent, because it's not related to anything I talked about. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:952461582] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote>LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>. And even then, many interest cost some kind of starting fund. Which nobody will have any money for...</quote>Again, fully automated world, money doesn't exist. Want to get into painting? A robot will make you some paints, an easel, and a palette. Baseball more your thing? A robot will make you a glove, a bat, and a ball. Board games? Musical instruments? Photography? Any "start-up" costs can be taken care of via automated labour, effectively for free. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Yes. You absolutely can. Producing everything for free means everything is profit for them. And they'll try to keep it like that. making all the money without having to use any... Just because you aren't greedy doesn't mean others aren't. So, they powerful will definitely try to keep money around so that they;ll till be in power. It's nave to think they'll be fine with just letting everything be free. Sometimes, people will find a cheaper way to mass produce something. But they'll leave the price the same. Because it means more profit to them. Even it the product winds up being shittier... Because money...</quote>Greed - and commerce - requires other people to have money. If I want to sell my new invention for 100 DKDollars, but no one else in the world has DKDollars, then I can't exactly charge money for it anymore. Same thing here. In a fully automated world, robots take over all the jobs. No human jobs means no human income, which ultimately means no human money. Fortunately, since money is simply recompense for human labour, this is not an issue because there is no human labour anymore. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Just because some games and stories suck doesn't mean the robots are better. Just means that some suck. But the best games and stories are by people.</quote>At the moment, yes, this is true. But you're talking about a fully automated future. We've already proved that robots can make art and games; now they just need to learn more and get better at it. They will surpass us one day and it will probably be in decades, not centuries. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>There's no lie. You're lying if you think that's a lie.</quote>You claimed that no one would want to make games and write stories for free, which is ignoring that there are lots of people today who make games and write stories for free, largely because they find it interesting. That's why I called it a lie. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>People will always make better stories and games... Because people do they best to come up with something original.</quote>So what is inherent in our biological grey-matter computers that allows us to come up with "original" ideas that is impossible to replicate in a sufficiently advanced AI? LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>But self-checkout isn't pushed everywhere yet.</quote>I never claimed that it was and I'm not really sure why you went on this side-tangent, because it's not related to anything I talked about. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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