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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
LinkPizza 04/04/21 2:09:54 PM #87:	darkknight109 posted... You're not getting this. Yes, it saves money - I never disputed that. I'm saying that, proportional to their other expenses, it doesn't save enough for it to drive significant change. Like, if someone offered me a way to save $100 a year, that's cool... but sheer human laziness means there's an excellent chance I won't bother, given that it's a tiny portion of my take-home income. On the other hand, if someone offered me a way to save $50,000 a year, then yeah, I'd take that in a heartbeat. Same thing with grocery stores. Wages are not a big part of their expenses, relative to the other costs they have to pay out, so even if they could halve their workforce (and that's a very open question, given that cashiers in most stores aren't exclusively cashiers and still have to help with things like stocking and inventory) it's not going to have nearly as big of an impact on them as that same reduction in work force would have on the transportation sector. But there's no reason for the CEO's to not do this as it's not them having to do this. They just tell someone else. And the amount aren't insignificant, either. That's massive amounts that they save over time depends on what they give employees (Not just wages, but everything that has cost). And they are trying to get rid of stockers, as well. Amazon's working on robots to do the stocking for them. Also, if you think that cost is insignificant, then they probably won't do buses, either. Bus drivers don't get paid that much. I've seen some of their checks. So, if it's not a big deal for grocery stores, then it won't be a big deal for bus stations, either... darkknight109 posted... You keep acting like self-driving cars aren't on the road, insured, today. They are. This problem has already been looked at and determined to not be a problem. With self-driving cars, it's far easier to determine who is at fault because the cars all have cameras in them, so you review the footage and say "Oh, that car's AI did something it wasn't supposed to - that car's insurance company now has to pay up." And insurance companies are happy to take that arrangement because, again, the accident rate for self-driving cars is far below the average human driver. I know they are. But there aren't many. Once they are a ton on the road, things will change. There will probably be more accidents. More self-driving vehicles means more chances for one or more to have a malfunction. Especially when people are around, as well... Things will be different, meaning directives will also have to change. You acting like they're common place already when they're aren't that many on the road compared to the amount of human driven vehicles... And you can't determine something is not a problem when they haven't even been able to see how it will actually be once the road is filled with them. There will be multiple malfunctions because there will be a ton of them. And they all won't be perfect. That's the problem. A road filled with self-driving vehicles is different from a road filled with human driven vehicles and a few self-driving ones, as well... And that's especially so when you add pedestrians into the mix... darkknight109 posted... Then you haven't been looking. I'll say it again: self-driving buses already exist. They've already addressed the problems you're talking about. This is not an issue for them. I'm looking at the one you sent me... And they've address the issue of picking up one. Not multiple. Especially since where I am, there are multiple people per route. Send me the others one that pick up at least 3 people in wheelchairs while also carrying the regular customers... And they lock them in securely with the rest. Because that's what our bus drivers do right now... And that can hold at least 32 (or 26) people (like our current buses), and don't cost much more than $1M, which I think it the price of our buses driven by drivers. ReturnOfFa posted... welcome to 'being concerned about things I don't understand' tomorrow we'll be featuring my roommate. I understand it. I just don't like it... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:952459967] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>You're not getting this. Yes, it saves money - I never disputed that. I'm saying that, proportional to their other expenses, it doesn't save enough for it to drive significant change. Like, if someone offered me a way to save $100 a year, that's cool... but sheer human laziness means there's an excellent chance I won't bother, given that it's a tiny portion of my take-home income. On the other hand, if someone offered me a way to save $50,000 a year, then yeah, I'd take that in a heartbeat. Same thing with grocery stores. Wages are not a big part of their expenses, relative to the other costs they have to pay out, so even if they could halve their workforce (and that's a very open question, given that cashiers in most stores aren't exclusively cashiers and still have to help with things like stocking and inventory) it's not going to have nearly as big of an impact on them as that same reduction in work force would have on the transportation sector.</quote> But there's no reason for the CEO's to not do this as it's not them having to do this. They just tell someone else. And the amount aren't insignificant, either. That's massive amounts that they save over time depends on what they give employees (Not just wages, but everything that has cost). And they are trying to get rid of stockers, as well. Amazon's working on robots to do the stocking for them. Also, if you think that cost is insignificant, then they probably won't do buses, either. Bus drivers don't get paid that much. I've seen some of their checks. So, if it's not a big deal for grocery stores, then it won't be a big deal for bus stations, either... darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>You keep acting like self-driving cars aren't on the road, insured, today. They are. This problem has already been looked at and determined to not be a problem. With self-driving cars, it's far easier to determine who is at fault because the cars all have cameras in them, so you review the footage and say "Oh, that car's AI did something it wasn't supposed to - that car's insurance company now has to pay up." And insurance companies are happy to take that arrangement because, again, the accident rate for self-driving cars is far below the average human driver.</quote> I know they are. But there aren't many. Once they are a ton on the road, things will change. There will probably be more accidents. More self-driving vehicles means more chances for one or more to have a malfunction. Especially when people are around, as well... Things will be different, meaning directives will also have to change. You acting like they're common place already when they're aren't that many on the road compared to the amount of human driven vehicles... And you can't determine something is not a problem when they haven't even been able to see how it will actually be once the road is filled with them. There will be multiple malfunctions because there will be a ton of them. And they all won't be perfect. That's the problem. A road filled with self-driving vehicles is different from a road filled with human driven vehicles and a few self-driving ones, as well... And that's especially so when you add pedestrians into the mix... darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Then you haven't been looking. I'll say it again: self-driving buses already exist. They've already addressed the problems you're talking about. This is not an issue for them.</quote> I'm looking at the one you sent me... And they've address the issue of picking up one. Not multiple. Especially since where I am, there are multiple people per route. Send me the others one that pick up at least 3 people in wheelchairs while also carrying the regular customers... And they lock them in securely with the rest. Because that's what our bus drivers do right now... And that can hold at least 32 (or 26) people (like our current buses), and don't cost much more than $1M, which I think it the price of our buses driven by drivers. ReturnOfFa posted...</cite> <quote>welcome to 'being concerned about things I don't understand' tomorrow we'll be featuring my roommate.</quote> I understand it. I just don't like it... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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