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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
LinkPizza 04/04/21 2:09:50 PM #86:	darkknight109 posted... Then get more hobbies. You say work offers variety? Then vary up your personal life as well. There's no reason why you need to rely on work to do that. Shit, if I didn't have to work I could easily go 500 years without getting bored. I already mention multiple. So, that's doesn't really work. You can still get bored of all of them. Then there's still the problem that everyone has that many interests. And just because you want a new interest doesn't mean you'll find one. And even then, many interest cost some kind of starting fund. Which nobody will have any money for... And that's great for you. But it's not the same for everybody. Some people are content staying home, and doing nothing. Or doing the same thing. Some aren't... And those are the usually the one terrorizing the neighborhood for fun... darkknight109 posted... Greed doesn't factor into it. You can't be "greedy" when everything is, essentially, produced for free. You can have everything you want and that still won't impede anyone else for getting the same thing. Even if money sticks around, it will swiftly become meaningless because robots exist and have an upkeep-to-labour ratio that rounds down to zero. darkknight109 posted... Well, first of all, the deluge of free stories and games available online right now kind of highlights the lie in this assertion. More to the point, you're talking about a fully automated world - in a fully automated world, robots will be able to make games and write stories as good or better than humans can. Robots can already produce art and write stories and write programs. They can't do it as well as humans can yet, but they will improve and get there eventually. Yes. You absolutely can. Producing everything for free means everything is profit for them. And they'll try to keep it like that. making all the money without having to use any... Just because you aren't greedy doesn't mean others aren't. So, they powerful will definitely try to keep money around so that they;ll till be in power. It's nave to think they'll be fine with just letting everything be free. Sometimes, people will find a cheaper way to mass produce something. But they'll leave the price the same. Because it means more profit to them. Even it the product winds up being shittier... Because money... darkknight109 posted... This is what I highlighted before and you dismissed - the transition time is the rough part; the end result is not something to be feared. And we can manage the transition through things like UBI, but that needs to have more political will put behind it for it to be effective. There's no lie. You're lying if you think that's a lie. Just because some games and stories suck doesn't mean the robots are better. Just means that some suck. But the best games and stories are by people. The ones by robots are usually just copying the data fed into them to make something absurd. I've seen a few videos written by them, and heard a few stories. And they just take the data, mish mash it together, and shits it out. The only reason they are usually any funny is because of the absolute sense they don't make. Which is ok once in a while. But not for everything... People will always make better stories and games... Because people do they best to come up with something original. Or write a classic in an original way. Where robots just take the data the have to make stuff, so it never feels original... darkknight109 posted... This argument is just as applicable to smart phones as self-checkouts. No. I never dismissed it. I literally said, "And who said I'm not worried about the time in between. In another UBI topic months or a year ago, I said I was worried about transition points the most because those are the times when every could go wrong will go wrong..."(post #47) So, yeah. I said I WAS worried about the transition point, as well... That's the worse part. And I think that's where most of the trouble will happen... That being said, this might be what kills us. The Great Filter that's talked about... darkknight109 posted... But that is an option that smartphones offer and therefore, like all other tools and functionalities - from touch screens to facial recognition to data security - it must be extensively tested, whether you - a single end user - choose to make use of it or not. You would think. But people still have trouble with it. Just like phones. But even then, phone are like mini-computers. And work the same for many people. Checkout counters has been around for a while. But many have only use the ones that cashiers used instead of them. Even today. I personally know how to use them, but purposely avoid them. But I've seen some people who just never use it because they just don't know how, or always have trouble with it. Plus, unlike smartphones, they aren't always pushed on you. Smartphones are getting to be push on everyone, though. Many phone stores that have older phones don't always put them out on display. Everything is a smartphone. So, even when people don't know how to use them, they get pushed to customers. And then you get all the parents and grandparents asking their kids how to do this or that. But self-checkout isn't pushed everywhere yet. Like I said, some stores still don't even have them, so some people avoid them by going to others stores. Which is why it's strange it's not pushed when it saves them so much money... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around. <cite>LinkPizza posted [p:952459964] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Then get more hobbies. You say work offers variety? Then vary up your personal life as well. There's no reason why you need to rely on work to do that. Shit, if I didn't have to work I could easily go 500 years without getting bored.</quote> I already mention multiple. So, that's doesn't really work. You can still get bored of all of them. Then there's still the problem that everyone has that many interests. And just because you want a new interest doesn't mean you'll find one. And even then, many interest cost some kind of starting fund. Which nobody will have any money for... And that's great for you. But it's not the same for everybody. Some people are content staying home, and doing nothing. Or doing the same thing. Some aren't... And those are the usually the one terrorizing the neighborhood for fun... darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Greed doesn't factor into it. You can't be "greedy" when everything is, essentially, produced for free. You can have everything you want and that still won't impede anyone else for getting the same thing. Even if money sticks around, it will swiftly become meaningless because robots exist and have an upkeep-to-labour ratio that rounds down to zero.</quote> darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Well, first of all, the deluge of free stories and games available online right now kind of highlights the lie in this assertion. More to the point, you're talking about a fully automated world - in a fully automated world, robots will be able to make games and write stories as good or better than humans can. Robots can already produce art and write stories and write programs. They can't do it as well as humans can yet, but they will improve and get there eventually.</quote> Yes. You absolutely can. Producing everything for free means everything is profit for them. And they'll try to keep it like that. making all the money without having to use any... Just because you aren't greedy doesn't mean others aren't. So, they powerful will definitely try to keep money around so that they;ll till be in power. It's nave to think they'll be fine with just letting everything be free. Sometimes, people will find a cheaper way to mass produce something. But they'll leave the price the same. Because it means more profit to them. Even it the product winds up being shittier... Because money... darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>This is what I highlighted before and you dismissed - the transition time is the rough part; the end result is not something to be feared. And we can manage the transition through things like UBI, but that needs to have more political will put behind it for it to be effective.</quote> There's no lie. You're lying if you think that's a lie. Just because some games and stories suck doesn't mean the robots are better. Just means that some suck. But the best games and stories are by people. The ones by robots are usually just copying the data fed into them to make something absurd. I've seen a few videos written by them, and heard a few stories. And they just take the data, mish mash it together, and shits it out. The only reason they are usually any funny is because of the absolute sense they don't make. Which is ok once in a while. But not for everything... People will always make better stories and games... Because people do they best to come up with something original. Or write a classic in an original way. Where robots just take the data the have to make stuff, so it never feels original... darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>This argument is just as applicable to smart phones as self-checkouts.</quote> No. I never dismissed it. I literally said, "And who said I'm not worried about the time in between. In another UBI topic months or a year ago, I said I was worried about transition points the most because those are the times when every could go wrong will go wrong..."(post #47) So, yeah. I said I WAS worried about the transition point, as well... That's the worse part. And I think that's where most of the trouble will happen... That being said, this might be what kills us. The Great Filter that's talked about... darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>But that is an option that smartphones offer and therefore, like all other tools and functionalities - from touch screens to facial recognition to data security - it must be extensively tested, whether you - a single end user - choose to make use of it or not.</quote> You would think. But people still have trouble with it. Just like phones. But even then, phone are like mini-computers. And work the same for many people. Checkout counters has been around for a while. But many have only use the ones that cashiers used instead of them. Even today. I personally know how to use them, but purposely avoid them. But I've seen some people who just never use it because they just don't know how, or always have trouble with it. Plus, unlike smartphones, they aren't always pushed on you. Smartphones are getting to be push on everyone, though. Many phone stores that have older phones don't always put them out on display. Everything is a smartphone. So, even when people don't know how to use them, they get pushed to customers. And then you get all the parents and grandparents asking their kids how to do this or that. But self-checkout isn't pushed everywhere yet. Like I said, some stores still don't even have them, so some people avoid them by going to others stores. Which is why it's strange it's not pushed when it saves them so much money... --- Official King of Kings Switch FC: 7216-4417-4511 Add Me because I'll probably add you. I'm probably the LinkPizza you'll see around.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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