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Topic	Controversial Opinion #4: Automation
darkknight109 04/03/21 3:10:06 PM #45:	Revelation34 posted... https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/self-driving-uber-car-hit-killed-woman-did-not-recognize-n1079281 Definitely better. You're making a common error, which is mistaking "better" for "perfect". Self-driving cars aren't perfect. They also don't need to be. Self-driving cars don't get tired or angry or distracted. They don't try to drive drunk or hung-over or stoned. They don't speed and run red lights because they're running late for a meeting or cut somebody off because they forgot to shoulder-check. That alone already puts them pretty far ahead of humans. That they have other problems that humans don't doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Car accidents are one of the leading causes of injury and death. They're the top cause amongst non-medical ailments and also the top cause period amongst children and those under 25. The same day that woman was killed by a self-driving car, over 100 other people in the US alone died in car accidents caused by humans. LinkPizza posted... So, again, I'll be dead by the time the world is gully automated (and shitty because of it)... Ironically, the point where the world is fully automated is actually when things look like they'll be amazing, because we'll be in a Star Trek-like utopia where no one needs to work because robots handle everything. It's the point between then and now, where robots do some stuff but not everything, that will be challenging. That is the part you should be worried about, not the post-singularity fully automated world. LinkPizza posted... A lesser technology that needs less testing that goes faster. You think smart phones are "lesser" and need less testing than self-service check-outs? Seriously? LinkPizza posted... With how long it's taken self-checkouts (something that needs much less testing to use) took to get where it is today, it'll probably be at least another 10-15 years before it becomes somewhat common. There's a huge difference in economic drivers there. Self-service checkouts take a minimum wage cashier off the floor of a store whose biggest expenditures are overhead and inventory. The costs of wages for them are puny compared to their other expenditures. By contrast, for transportation companies their drivers are by far their biggest expense (especially if you count in incidental expenses, like damages, accidents, and down-time caused by human error). Over half of their expenditures are salary for drivers. There is a huge incentive for them to automate and it's not going to take long for them to do it, hence why some of them are already moving in that direction. LinkPizza posted... Especially since a huge portion of out clients are in wheelchairs, and need to be secured once on the bus. In other cities where self-driving buses are, I'm guess they don't have the same amount of people in wheelchairs, if they have any... People in wheelchairs exist in all cities. That problem has already been solved. https://www.iberdrola.com/innovation/disabled-vehicles Self-driving cars are actually being looked at with a great deal of interest by the disabled communities. There's buses that know sign-language, which put them ahead of a standard driver, and they're generally seen as improving accessibility for those who are unable to drive them selves in a normal vehicle. LinkPizza posted... Yeah. And it's costing people their jobs, which really suck and make the world a shittier place... Better start working to figure out how to improve that then, because automation isn't stopping. Instead of sitting there and saying, "It won't affect me" - which isn't a very smart gamble, if you ask me - you'd be better off brainstorming solutions to allow humans to function in an increasingly automated world. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:952427267] in Controvers... [t:79384298]...</cite> <quote>Revelation34 posted... </cite> <quote>https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/self-driving-uber-car-hit-killed-woman-did-not-recognize-n1079281 Definitely better.</quote>You're making a common error, which is mistaking "better" for "perfect". Self-driving cars aren't perfect. They also don't need to be. Self-driving cars don't get tired or angry or distracted. They don't try to drive drunk or hung-over or stoned. They don't speed and run red lights because they're running late for a meeting or cut somebody off because they forgot to shoulder-check. That alone already puts them pretty far ahead of humans. That they have other problems that humans don't doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things. Car accidents are one of the leading causes of injury and death. They're the top cause amongst non-medical ailments and also the top cause period amongst children and those under 25. The same day that woman was killed by a self-driving car, over 100 other people in the US alone died in car accidents caused by humans. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>So, again, I'll be dead by the time the world is gully automated (and shitty because of it)...</quote>Ironically, the point where the world is fully automated is actually when things look like they'll be amazing, because we'll be in a Star Trek-like utopia where no one needs to work because robots handle everything. It's the point between then and now, where robots do some stuff but not everything, that will be challenging. That is the part you should be worried about, not the post-singularity fully automated world. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>A lesser technology that needs less testing that goes faster.</quote>You think smart phones are "lesser" and need less testing than self-service check-outs? Seriously? LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>With how long it's taken self-checkouts (something that needs much less testing to use) took to get where it is today, it'll probably be at least another 10-15 years before it becomes somewhat common.</quote>There's a huge difference in economic drivers there. Self-service checkouts take a minimum wage cashier off the floor of a store whose biggest expenditures are overhead and inventory. The costs of wages for them are puny compared to their other expenditures. By contrast, for transportation companies their drivers are by far their biggest expense (especially if you count in incidental expenses, like damages, accidents, and down-time caused by human error). Over half of their expenditures are salary for drivers. There is a huge incentive for them to automate and it's not going to take long for them to do it, hence why some of them are already moving in that direction. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Especially since a huge portion of out clients are in wheelchairs, and need to be secured once on the bus. In other cities where self-driving buses are, I'm guess they don't have the same amount of people in wheelchairs, if they have any...</quote>People in wheelchairs exist in all cities. That problem has already been solved. https://www.iberdrola.com/innovation/disabled-vehicles Self-driving cars are actually being looked at with a great deal of interest by the disabled communities. There's buses that know sign-language, which put them ahead of a standard driver, and they're generally seen as improving accessibility for those who are unable to drive them selves in a normal vehicle. LinkPizza posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah. And it's costing people their jobs, which really suck and make the world a shittier place...</quote>Better start working to figure out how to improve that then, because automation isn't stopping. Instead of sitting there and saying, "It won't affect me" - which isn't a very smart gamble, if you ask me - you'd be better off brainstorming solutions to allow humans to function in an increasingly automated world. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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