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legendary_zell posted...

Dude, he's telling you the established definitions of these political terms and you are ignorantly brushing them off. Just because Cold War rhetoric said that Communism=the biggest of governments and mid century governments used the term to describe their totalitarian assholery doesn't mean that's what it was. Political terms have definitions, but mostly they're used by politicians for the feelings they provoke. Just like Republicans today say what we have is free market capitalism while they actually facilitate companies rigging the marketplace in their favor and putting up barriers to new entrants. You can call it X, but since X has an independent meaning, it's not that.

Socialism refers to the workers/society owning the means of production. This can be done through government or through non-governmental groupings of people and communities. Communism as Marx defines it refers to a type of socialism where there is no longer a need for a state, and where the community owns everything in common, with no private property and no class divide. There is also state communism, but that's a separate thing.

Communism IS anti-government. Non-state communism is essentially identical to left-wing (actual) Anarchism in their vision of a future society.

Thanks for elaborating on all this. I dont think I was explaining it enough to him. @MarqueeSeries is probably right about it being a waste of time, though, as @Solid_Snake07 has not yet deigned to return.

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