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Topic	A year later, is the Flame Emperor evil? (Fire Emblem Three Houses spoilers)
NeoElfboy 07/30/20 11:11:37 AM #32:	MalcolmMasher posted... Thales's introduction is literally "you have divine time-travel powers, but this man still outplayed you." Yes, I am inclined to respect that. I read that scene as Byleth using up his/her final Divine Pulse to try to save their father, and not realizing that Thales was actually hiding waiting to jump in and protect Kronya if need be (and thus no longer having a Divine Pulse to deal with that complication). I didn't see it as any sort of "chessmaster" behaviour on his part, he was just being sensible and watching out for an important underling. MalcolmMasher posted... No, he is not the final boss. (The Evil Wizard archetype generally isn't.) If you ally with him, you never actually fight him, and the final boss is his most powerful enemy. If you don't ally with him, the final boss is either his superweapon, his other superweapon, or his most powerful enemy again. So in three out of four routes the final boss is either his enemy, or a superweapon who is also at best his enemy-in-waiting? Doesn't speak too well of his status within the game. Nemesis is the only one that comes close to making him look good, but Zombie Nemesis is kinda nonsensical from a story standpoint so I'd rather not talk about him unless you insist. MalcolmMasher posted... But even if he's not prepared for specifically a surprise attack on Shambhala, we can be confident that Thales is prepared for Edelgard to move against him, because she already tried it once and he was ready then, too. And yet, apparently, he isn't ready now. Why not? I mean, you're the one who thinks he's a cunning genius, not me, so my answer here is easy: he's arrogant. He wasn't prepared for the surprise attack on other routes either, and no, "nuke my own base after I've been fatally wounded" is not an impressive backup plan. (It's entirely possible that Jeritza, whom the game considers to be an extremely effective killer, just takes him out more cleanly so he can't execute this plan. Jeritza's endings do paint him as a key slitherer-killer.) MalcolmMasher posted... Evidently, the writers did not consider answering those questions to be an important part of Edelgard's story. I mean, yeah, and I agree with them, which is probably why in a year of discussing this game non-stop I've never had this conversation before. :) That's not what Edelgard's story is about. In fact as far as I'm concerned the less the game deals with the Objectively Evil Molemen, the better. It's also worth noting that it's a conscious choice on the part of the writers; if they'd wanted they could easily have copypasted the Shambhala map into Crimson Flower. MalcolmMasher posted... Footnote: I believe FE5 is the only Fire Emblem where the token evil wizard is also the final boss. They usually play the "have a dragon, lol" card. This is true, although FE7 comes very close, and in most of the others (Gharnef, Validar, Manfroy) the Token Evil Wizard's life goal is to revive the final boss, so he gets more competence points than Thales for actually suceeding at his main goal. I will also say that Thales isn't the first Token Evil Wizard who behaves like an arrogant James Bond villain and gets burned for it, see also (FE4) ~~Manfroy's "let's leave the woman who can defeat my god-figure alive because it's FUNNY".~~ xp1337 posted... Edelgard is definitely racist against Nabateans though, no doubt about it. She's not entirely wrong about her accusations towards Rhea but her extension of that towards Seteth and Flayn is just straight-up racism on her part because those two are among the most reasonable people in the entire continent. Can you cite evidence for this? I just went back and looked at her boss conversations with them and the worst I saw is that she doesn't want them to become the next rulers of Fodlan. It's a bit silly to call that "racist"; usually revolutionaries don't want the family of the deposed ruler (Czar Nicholas II, Louis XVI, George III) to become their next ruler either! I don't consider the thesis of "a nation of 99% humans should not be ruled over by dragons" to be a racist one. Additionally, in CF she's quite content to let them go if they survive Chapter 15. --- The RPG Duelling League: www.rpgdl.com An unparalleled source for RPG information and discussion <cite>NeoElfboy posted [p:942774897] in A year lat... [t:78877951]...</cite> <quote>MalcolmMasher posted... </cite> <quote>Thales's introduction is literally "you have divine time-travel powers, but this man still outplayed you." Yes, I am inclined to respect that.</quote> I read that scene as Byleth using up his/her final Divine Pulse to try to save their father, and not realizing that Thales was actually hiding waiting to jump in and protect Kronya if need be (and thus no longer having a Divine Pulse to deal with that complication). I didn't see it as any sort of "chessmaster" behaviour on his part, he was just being sensible and watching out for an important underling. MalcolmMasher posted... </cite> <quote>No, he is not the final boss. (The Evil Wizard archetype generally isn't.) If you ally with him, you never actually fight him, and the final boss is his most powerful enemy. If you don't ally with him, the final boss is either his superweapon, his other superweapon, or his most powerful enemy again.</quote> So in three out of four routes the final boss is either his enemy, or a superweapon who is also at best his enemy-in-waiting? Doesn't speak too well of his status within the game. Nemesis is the only one that comes close to making him look good, but Zombie Nemesis is kinda nonsensical from a story standpoint so I'd rather not talk about him unless you insist. MalcolmMasher posted... </cite> <quote>But even if he's not prepared for specifically a surprise attack on Shambhala, we can be confident that Thales is prepared for Edelgard to move against him, because she already tried it once and he was ready then, too. And yet, apparently, he isn't ready now. Why not?</quote> I mean, you're the one who thinks he's a cunning genius, not me, so my answer here is easy: he's arrogant. He wasn't prepared for the surprise attack on other routes either, and no, "nuke my own base after I've been fatally wounded" is not an impressive backup plan. (It's entirely possible that Jeritza, whom the game considers to be an extremely effective killer, just takes him out more cleanly so he can't execute this plan. Jeritza's endings do paint him as a key slitherer-killer.) MalcolmMasher posted... </cite> <quote>Evidently, the writers did not consider answering those questions to be an important part of Edelgard's story.</quote> I mean, yeah, and I agree with them, which is probably why in a year of discussing this game non-stop I've never had this conversation before. :) That's not what Edelgard's story is about. In fact as far as I'm concerned the less the game deals with the Objectively Evil Molemen, the better. It's also worth noting that it's a conscious choice on the part of the writers; if they'd wanted they could easily have copypasted the Shambhala map into Crimson Flower. MalcolmMasher posted... </cite> <quote>Footnote: I believe FE5 is the only Fire Emblem where the token evil wizard is also the final boss. They usually play the "have a dragon, lol" card.</quote> This is true, although FE7 comes very close, and in most of the others (Gharnef, Validar, Manfroy) the Token Evil Wizard's life goal is to revive the final boss, so he gets more competence points than Thales for actually suceeding at his main goal. I will also say that Thales isn't the first Token Evil Wizard who behaves like an arrogant James Bond villain and gets burned for it, see also (FE4) Manfroy's "let's leave the woman who can defeat my god-figure alive because it's FUNNY". xp1337 posted... </cite> <quote>Edelgard is definitely racist against Nabateans though, no doubt about it. She's not entirely wrong about her accusations towards Rhea but her extension of that towards Seteth and Flayn is just straight-up racism on her part because those two are among the most reasonable people in the entire continent.</quote> Can you cite evidence for this? I just went back and looked at her boss conversations with them and the worst I saw is that she doesn't want them to become the next rulers of Fodlan. It's a bit silly to call that "racist"; usually revolutionaries don't want the family of the deposed ruler (Czar Nicholas II, Louis XVI, George III) to become their next ruler either! I don't consider the thesis of "a nation of 99% humans should not be ruled over by dragons" to be a racist one. Additionally, in CF she's quite content to let them go if they survive Chapter 15. --- The RPG Duelling League: www.rpgdl.com An unparalleled source for RPG information and discussion</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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