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Topic	The different ethnic groups of the Medeterranian Sea
Firewerx 07/13/20 2:55:32 PM #10:	AC_Dragonfire posted... Forced labour.... probably way better living conditions than some Russian Gulag. There's different levels to these things. I don't know about that. Even a cursory examination turns up this on Wikipedia, about the forced labour regime in Angola after Salazar re-established the institution: ---------------------------------------- "By 1947, 40% of the forced labourers died each year with a 60% infant mortality rate in the territory (according to The World Factbook's 2007 estimates, infant mortality rate (deaths/1,000 live births) in modern-day Angola was 184.44 - the worst result among all countries in the world). Historian Basil Davidson visited Angola in 1954 and found 30% of all adult males working in these conditions; "there was probably more coercion than ever before." Marcelo Caetano, Portugal's Minister of the Colonies, recognized the inherent flaws in the system, which he described as using natives "like pieces of equipment without any concern for their yearning, interests, or desires". Parliament held a closed session in 1947 to discuss the deteriorating situation. Henrique Galvo, Angolan deputy to the Portuguese National Assembly, read his "Report on Native Problems in the Portuguese Colonies". Galvo condemned the "shameful outrages" he had uncovered, the forced labour of "women, of children, of the sick, [and] of decrepit old men." He concluded that in Angola, "only the dead are really exempt from forced labor." The government's control over the natives eliminated the worker-employer's incentive to keep his employees alive because, unlike in other colonial societies, the state replaced deceased workers without directly charging the employer. The Portuguese government refuted the report and arrested Galvo in 1952." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Angola ---------------------------------------- Also, "well, at least forced labour probably didn't have the same death rate as the Russian gulag" isn't exactly what I'd call a sound fallback position. The cotton plantations of the 1850s South probably didn't have the same death rate as the Russian gulag either. --- Watching the shadows burn <cite>Firewerx posted [p:942059094] in The differ... [t:78843347]...</cite> <quote>AC_Dragonfire posted... </cite> <quote>Forced labour.... probably way better living conditions than some Russian Gulag. There's different levels to these things.</quote> I don't know about that. Even a cursory examination turns up this on Wikipedia, about the forced labour regime in Angola after Salazar re-established the institution: ---------------------------------------- "By 1947, 40% of the forced labourers died each year with a 60% infant mortality rate in the territory (according to The World Factbook's 2007 estimates, infant mortality rate (deaths/1,000 live births) in modern-day Angola was 184.44 - the worst result among all countries in the world). Historian Basil Davidson visited Angola in 1954 and found 30% of all adult males working in these conditions; "there was probably more coercion than ever before." Marcelo Caetano, Portugal's Minister of the Colonies, recognized the inherent flaws in the system, which he described as using natives "like pieces of equipment without any concern for their yearning, interests, or desires". Parliament held a closed session in 1947 to discuss the deteriorating situation. Henrique Galvo, Angolan deputy to the Portuguese National Assembly, read his "Report on Native Problems in the Portuguese Colonies". Galvo condemned the "shameful outrages" he had uncovered, the forced labour of "women, of children, of the sick, [and] of decrepit old men." He concluded that in Angola, "only the dead are really exempt from forced labor." The government's control over the natives eliminated the worker-employer's incentive to keep his employees alive because, unlike in other colonial societies, the state replaced deceased workers without directly charging the employer. The Portuguese government refuted the report and arrested Galvo in 1952." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Angola ---------------------------------------- Also, "well, at least forced labour probably didn't have the same death rate as the Russian gulag" isn't exactly what I'd call a sound fallback position. The cotton plantations of the 1850s South probably didn't have the same death rate as the Russian gulag either. --- Watching the shadows burn</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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