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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 288: Ventilators! Mount Up
ChaosTonyV4 04/02/20 4:04:16 PM #459:	Inviso posted... You cite that Bernie is considered extremely likable and extremely trustworthy, but you know who else was extremely likable before they were in contention to be president? Hillary Clinton. Joe Biden. And you know what's interesting? How is it that, despite being SO likable and trustworthy, Bernie has been unable to get over the hump TWICE now? You say it's the media's fault, but the media was largely in the tank for Hillary and a vicious, bitter narcissist was able to beat her in 2016. And Obama was a junior senator with what, two years of Washington experience under his belt when he beat Hillary in 2008. At what point do you MAYBE consider that MAYBE there's some other reason as to why Bernie just can't seem to get it done, other than "EVERYONE IS AGAINST US AND THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS RIGGED AGAINST US". Its clearly both, dude. I literally have never said Bernie ran a perfect campaign, and I feel like Im constantly repeating myself saying this. Inviso posted... Biden is winning because the VAST majority of this country is conservative (I'm including both the Republicans and the moderate wing of the Democratic Party), and he appeals to those sensibilities with boring rational issues, whereas Bernie does not, and has made no effort to really appeal to the center (who are the majority of voters in the Democratic primary). The reason Bernie dominated early on? Two extremely WHITE primaries in a row, while the moderate wing of the part was still fielding like, half a dozen candidates. Then once a moderate (Biden) had an exceptional showing, that wing coalesced into the singular majority they always were. Youre undercutting your argument here. If the majority of the Democratic Party is moderate conservative, literally nothing Bernie or any Progressive could ever do would be enough. Youre saying that the way Bernie could have run a winning campaign is to literally not do what gets Bernie his rock-solid base? Hillary had the media love, but so did Trump. He dominated (and frankly, still dominates) the media coverage. Its why his approval is going up during this pandemic, because hes constantly on TV while Joe leaves his hyperbaric chamber for like an hour a day. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado <cite>ChaosTonyV4 posted [p:936662068] in Politics C... [t:78520107]...</cite> <quote>Inviso posted... </cite> <quote>You cite that Bernie is considered extremely likable and extremely trustworthy, but you know who else was extremely likable before they were in contention to be president? Hillary Clinton. Joe Biden. And you know what's interesting? How is it that, despite being SO likable and trustworthy, Bernie has been unable to get over the hump TWICE now? You say it's the media's fault, but the media was largely in the tank for Hillary and a vicious, bitter narcissist was able to beat her in 2016. And Obama was a junior senator with what, two years of Washington experience under his belt when he beat Hillary in 2008. At what point do you MAYBE consider that MAYBE there's some other reason as to why Bernie just can't seem to get it done, other than "EVERYONE IS AGAINST US AND THE WHOLE SYSTEM IS RIGGED AGAINST US".</quote> Its clearly both, dude. I literally have never said Bernie ran a perfect campaign, and I feel like Im constantly repeating myself saying this. Inviso posted... </cite> <quote>Biden is winning because the VAST majority of this country is conservative (I'm including both the Republicans and the moderate wing of the Democratic Party), and he appeals to those sensibilities with boring rational issues, whereas Bernie does not, and has made no effort to really appeal to the center (who are the majority of voters in the Democratic primary). The reason Bernie dominated early on? Two extremely WHITE primaries in a row, while the moderate wing of the part was still fielding like, half a dozen candidates. Then once a moderate (Biden) had an exceptional showing, that wing coalesced into the singular majority they always were.</quote> Youre undercutting your argument here. If the majority of the Democratic Party is moderate conservative, literally nothing Bernie or any Progressive could ever do would be enough. Youre saying that the way Bernie could have run a winning campaign is to literally not do what gets Bernie his rock-solid base? Hillary had the media love, but so did Trump. He dominated (and frankly, still dominates) the media coverage. Its why his approval is going up during this pandemic, because hes constantly on TV while Joe leaves his hyperbaric chamber for like an hour a day. --- Phantom Dust. "I'll just wait for time to prove me right again." - Vlado</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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