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Topic	Why are people upset that China reopened wet markets?
Pseudomenon 04/02/20 1:41:15 PM #31:	Gladius_ posted... You admitted that there is regulation in the farms and factories in which our meat is produced. While it isn't perfect, and isn't the most healthy at the very least there is regulation, they are bred in capitivity, and many of animals are screened. China's meat markets are notorious for their lack of regulation, wild caught animals, and in many cases taken straight off the street. There was regulation at the pig farm that gave the world H1N1. Those pigs were screened but the virus was somehow still around for up to a decade before it jumped to humans. Any time you concentrate animals together like that, even with regulations, you're taking a huge gamble that something like this is going to happen. It's not acceptable in wet-markets in China and it shouldn't be acceptable anywhere. The risks far outweigh the benefits. The wuhan market is also notorious for its selling of wild, exotic, and endangered animals while serving dishes and food that have no sanitation process in the slightest. It isn't racist to claim that their meat markets are a breeding ground for dangerous bacteria caused by their lack of hygiene and sanitation further exacerbated by their selling of wild, street caught animals, and lack of regulation. Further this isn't the first time prolific and highly infectious diseases has come from that region. This isn't the fault of chinese people but entirely on the government that cares little for its people or their well being. I didn't say it was racist. I said it's Sinophobic. Those markets exist everywhere and come with the same risks. I've been to those places in the United States. I went to one here in Texas in 2017. These pandemics are caused by viruses, not bacteria, and the problem here is concentration of animals and proximity to humans because they're spread by respiratory functions like breathing, coughing, and sneezing. It's not a food-borne illness like salmonella or e. coli so hygiene in that regard wouldn't make a difference. Prolific and highly infectious diseases have come from various regions and will again. It's foolish to singularly focus on hating China. That isn't a plea to leave China alone; it's a call to action everywhere else this risk arises. Gladius_ posted... I get what you're doing but in some ways you shouldn't mistake criticism of wet markets as criticism and hatred of the chinese people. One can genuinely wish their government take a more active appeoach for safety and health standards of it's people without blaming the people themselves. Not to mention "what about OUR factories" is literally an example of whataboutism. I'm not making that mistake. It's not that criticism of wet markets is criticism/hatred of Chinese people. It's that a prolonged and deliberate campaign to portray Chinese people as "other" has made it all too easy to focus on them and their actions as something so bizarre that it creates a huge blind spot to other peoples' own failings. It's pretty specious to say "it's a criticism of the government, not the people!" with regards to wet-markets when it's the people who patronize and keep the wet-markets in business, especially because a huge portion of the criticism is how the people interact in them. It's not whataboutism because I don't want you to ignore what is happening in Chinese wet-markets. I want you to recognize that animal agriculture in its entirety, no matter who is practicing it or where, comes with the ability to do this and it should not be overlooked, period. Bio1590 posted... Except they literally are. The continued existence of these places is a threat to the entire world. The CCP doesn't care because they still have the world by the balls and citizens that continue to support these places obviously don't either. Did we also forget the CCP has million of Muslims interred in concentration camps? Obviously unrelated to these markets but to pretend the CCP isn't basically a villain is laughable. Factory farms are just a deflection. The world can work on those as well but wanting this bullshit to end doesn't mean we have to stop the other. You make the mistake of thinking I'm defending China or that I want you to overlook these things. I am not. I do not. I simply want you to hold every country to the same standard of criticism and outrage that China evokes because every major country is doing some heinous shit this very moment that warrants it. It's far too easy and utterly fruitless to bitch about China on the internet knowing that hitting post/send to an echo chamber is the height of your effort. And no, factory farms are not a deflection. Concentrating animals and the dangers that poses to humanity is the entire point of this argument. --- https://imgur.com/ZzqY3ze <cite>Pseudomenon posted [p:936654592] in Why are pe... [t:78528955]...</cite> <quote>Gladius_ posted... </cite> <quote>You admitted that there is regulation in the farms and factories in which our meat is produced. While it isn't perfect, and isn't the most healthy at the very least there is regulation, they are bred in capitivity, and many of animals are screened. China's meat markets are notorious for their lack of regulation, wild caught animals, and in many cases taken straight off the street.</quote> There was regulation at the pig farm that gave the world H1N1. Those pigs were screened but the virus was somehow still around for up to a decade before it jumped to humans. Any time you concentrate animals together like that, even with regulations, you're taking a huge gamble that something like this is going to happen. It's not acceptable in wet-markets in China and it shouldn't be acceptable anywhere. The risks far outweigh the benefits. <quote>The wuhan market is also notorious for its selling of wild, exotic, and endangered animals while serving dishes and food that have no sanitation process in the slightest. It isn't racist to claim that their meat markets are a breeding ground for dangerous bacteria caused by their lack of hygiene and sanitation further exacerbated by their selling of wild, street caught animals, and lack of regulation. Further this isn't the first time prolific and highly infectious diseases has come from that region. This isn't the fault of chinese people but entirely on the government that cares little for its people or their well being.</quote>I didn't say it was racist. I said it's Sinophobic. Those markets exist everywhere and come with the same risks. I've been to those places in the United States. I went to one here in Texas in 2017. These pandemics are caused by viruses, not bacteria, and the problem here is concentration of animals and proximity to humans because they're spread by respiratory functions like breathing, coughing, and sneezing. It's not a food-borne illness like salmonella or e. coli so hygiene in that regard wouldn't make a difference. Prolific and highly infectious diseases have come from various regions and will again. It's foolish to singularly focus on hating China. That isn't a plea to leave China alone; it's a call to action everywhere else this risk arises. <quote>Gladius_ posted... </cite>I get what you're doing but in some ways you shouldn't mistake criticism of wet markets as criticism and hatred of the chinese people. One can genuinely wish their government take a more active appeoach for safety and health standards of it's people without blaming the people themselves. Not to mention "what about OUR factories" is literally an example of whataboutism.</quote> I'm not making that mistake. It's not that criticism of wet markets is criticism/hatred of Chinese people. It's that a prolonged and deliberate campaign to portray Chinese people as "other" has made it all too easy to focus on them and their actions as something so bizarre that it creates a huge blind spot to other peoples' own failings. It's pretty specious to say "it's a criticism of the government, not the people!" with regards to wet-markets when it's the people who patronize and keep the wet-markets in business, especially because a huge portion of the criticism is how the people interact in them. It's not whataboutism because I don't want you to ignore what is happening in Chinese wet-markets. I want you to recognize that animal agriculture in its entirety, no matter who is practicing it or where, comes with the ability to do this and it should not be overlooked, period. Bio1590 posted... </cite> <quote>Except they literally are. The continued existence of these places is a threat to the entire world. The CCP doesn't care because they still have the world by the balls and citizens that continue to support these places obviously don't either. Did we also forget the CCP has million of Muslims interred in concentration camps? Obviously unrelated to these markets but to pretend the CCP isn't basically a villain is laughable. Factory farms are just a deflection. The world can work on those as well but wanting this bullshit to end doesn't mean we have to stop the other.</quote> You make the mistake of thinking I'm defending China or that I want you to overlook these things. I am not. I do not. I simply want you to hold every country to the same standard of criticism and outrage that China evokes because every major country is doing some heinous shit this very moment that warrants it. It's far too easy and utterly fruitless to bitch about China on the internet knowing that hitting post/send to an echo chamber is the height of your effort. And no, factory farms are not a deflection. Concentrating animals and the dangers that poses to humanity is the entire point of this argument. --- https://imgur.com/ZzqY3ze</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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