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Topic	Game of the Decade: 2010-2019 Contest Analysis Crew - Part 1
Master Moltar 03/26/20 6:01:36 PM #26:	Round 1 Hollow Knight vs. Tales of Berseria Moltars Analysis Wish this match was a day later so I could see the results for Halo: Reach/Life is Strange before writing this! The Tales series is more popular on GameFAQs, and Symphonia has proven itself in multiple contests. The problem here is that its the only Tales game that has shown strength on the website. Im kind of getting Borderlands/Vesperia vibes from this match, except on a weaker-scale. In that match, Borderlands 55/45d Vesperia. Hollow Knight is fairly popular for an indie game, but most indie games dont do well on GameFAQs. Still, I think it should be decent enough to win this match because I have very low expectations for non-Symphonia Tales games at this point. Moltars Bracket: Hollow Knight Moltars Prediction: Hollow Knight 55% ____________________________________________________________________________ transiences Analysis I'm not Hollow Knight's biggest fan and I get kind of grumpy when people put it on a pedestal above superior indie darlings like Ori and the Blind Forest or Spelunky or countless others. Those games just can't hold a candle to Hollow Knight in a popularity contest though, a game that has really found its place over the last couple of years, especially once it made its way to Switch and became the preeminent indie title early in the Switch's lifetime when people were starving for good games on the platform. Hollow Knight, to the surprise of many, is kind of legit. It stands out amongst its indie brethren. You know what doesn't stand out? Recent Tales games. Berseria is a full step down from something like Tales of the Abyss, which is another step down from Symphonia. We've seen how miserable Abyss's characters performed in this contest before and it's many years removed from even that. I think some people approach this as random Tales game vs. indie game and just going with the trusted name, and sure, maybe there's something to that. I trust in Hollow Knight's annoying ability to generate a moderate amount of buzz, and if there's one thing I'll never back, it's these fifth tier Tales games that have no real following. I look for Hollow Knight to clean up here. transience's prediction: Hollow Knight with 58.43% ____________________________________________________________________________ Leonharts Analysis Yeah, I dont know what to make of this one. Hollow Knight is a popular indie game, but its an indie game nonetheless. Tales of Symphonia is a B-list JRPG around these parts, but the rest of the series hasnt done all that well. Still, Velvet Crowe did manage to win a match last contest (even if it was over James Sunderland), so I dont think Tales of Berseria will be bottom feeding fodder, if nothing else. Just about every Tales fan Ive seen loves the game, which is pretty rare for a Tales game! Will that be enough to beat Hollow Knight? Who knows! I certainly dont, but Im rolling with Tales of Berseria anyway. In a bracket thats littered with indie games, this is their first real test. If Hollow Knight can pull this one out, we might see some good success elsewhere in the bracket from similar games. If it gets rolled by Berseria (even an Ulti-style destruction), that probably spells bad things for indie games all over the bracket. I think itll keep it close enough though. Leonharts Vote: Tales of Berseria Leonharts Prediction: Tales of Berseria with 52.02% ____________________________________________________________________________ Kleenexs Analysis Alright, this one I think is interesting, and might put my name recognition thing to the test. Tales is obviously a known quantity around here, but its not actually that strong, outside of Symphonia. All other Tales stuff has flopped pretty tremendously, and even though Berseria is the best goddamn game in the series, the fact that it is Not Symphonia, means it probably falls in the trash heap with the rest. Now, Hollow Knight isnt exactly a ringer here either. Its only been in two polls that I can see, and neither of them is particularly impressive. But despite that, I still perceive the game is relatively popular. I still see people talk about it and its expansions/sequels, it was incredibly well received, and I feel like its more well known than a few piddly GameFAQs polls would lead you to believe. I think there are a lot of places you could have put Hollow Knight in this bracket to have it fall on its face, but against Berseria? That seems like as good of a shot as any. Kleenexs Prediction: Hollow Knight with 59.50% ____________________________________________________________________________ Guests Analysis - Luster Soldier The general opinion of this match is quite mixed, with a good number of people on both sides thinking that either game has a chance of winning this one. This really surprises me because Hollow Knight is already at a disadvantage for being an indie game. You have to view most indie games with a fair degree of skepticism until they can prove their strength. The concept of the indie glass ceiling is sure to be mentioned numerous times in match write-ups by different people over the course of this contest, and I just don't think Hollow Knight is one of those games. I would certainly pick Shovel Knight over Tales of Berseria, but not Hollow Knight. Hollow Knight may have a seeding advantage, but seeding almost never matters in a contest with the exception of the 1 seeds and maybe 2 seeds to a lesser extent. In the 2017 GotY polls, Hollow Knight got more than quadrupled by Cuphead in the indie poll, so its strength is clearly way down from Cuphead to begin with. Tales of Berseria has the advantage of being more of a GameFAQs type game as a single player RPG. Even if most Tales games have generally ranged from mediocre to slightly above average, the RPG genre of the games is enough to get the GameFAQs crowd to play them and should have a playrate advantage for this reason. Luster Soldier's Bracket: Tales of Berseria Luster Soldier's Prediction: Tales of Berseria - 55.84% ____________________________________________________________________________ Crew Consensus: The first Crew split! Hollow Knight is the slight favorite to advance. --- Moltar Status: hype Contest Analysis Crew Archives: http://thecrew.speedrunwiki.com/ <cite>Master Moltar posted [p:936280237] in Game of th... [t:78506026]...</cite> <quote>Round 1 Hollow Knight vs. Tales of Berseria Moltars Analysis Wish this match was a day later so I could see the results for Halo: Reach/Life is Strange before writing this! The Tales series is more popular on GameFAQs, and Symphonia has proven itself in multiple contests. The problem here is that its the only Tales game that has shown strength on the website. Im kind of getting Borderlands/Vesperia vibes from this match, except on a weaker-scale. In that match, Borderlands 55/45d Vesperia. Hollow Knight is fairly popular for an indie game, but most indie games dont do well on GameFAQs. Still, I think it should be decent enough to win this match because I have very low expectations for non-Symphonia Tales games at this point. Moltars Bracket: Hollow Knight Moltars Prediction: Hollow Knight 55% ____________________________________________________________________________ transiences Analysis I'm not Hollow Knight's biggest fan and I get kind of grumpy when people put it on a pedestal above superior indie darlings like Ori and the Blind Forest or Spelunky or countless others. Those games just can't hold a candle to Hollow Knight in a popularity contest though, a game that has really found its place over the last couple of years, especially once it made its way to Switch and became the preeminent indie title early in the Switch's lifetime when people were starving for good games on the platform. Hollow Knight, to the surprise of many, is kind of legit. It stands out amongst its indie brethren. You know what doesn't stand out? Recent Tales games. Berseria is a full step down from something like Tales of the Abyss, which is another step down from Symphonia. We've seen how miserable Abyss's characters performed in this contest before and it's many years removed from even that. I think some people approach this as random Tales game vs. indie game and just going with the trusted name, and sure, maybe there's something to that. I trust in Hollow Knight's annoying ability to generate a moderate amount of buzz, and if there's one thing I'll never back, it's these fifth tier Tales games that have no real following. I look for Hollow Knight to clean up here. transience's prediction: Hollow Knight with 58.43% ____________________________________________________________________________ Leonharts Analysis Yeah, I dont know what to make of this one. Hollow Knight is a popular indie game, but its an indie game nonetheless. Tales of Symphonia is a B-list JRPG around these parts, but the rest of the series hasnt done all that well. Still, Velvet Crowe did manage to win a match last contest (even if it was over James Sunderland), so I dont think Tales of Berseria will be bottom feeding fodder, if nothing else. Just about every Tales fan Ive seen loves the game, which is pretty rare for a Tales game! Will that be enough to beat Hollow Knight? Who knows! I certainly dont, but Im rolling with Tales of Berseria anyway. In a bracket thats littered with indie games, this is their first real test. If Hollow Knight can pull this one out, we might see some good success elsewhere in the bracket from similar games. If it gets rolled by Berseria (even an Ulti-style destruction), that probably spells bad things for indie games all over the bracket. I think itll keep it close enough though. Leonharts Vote: Tales of Berseria Leonharts Prediction: Tales of Berseria with 52.02% ____________________________________________________________________________ Kleenexs Analysis Alright, this one I think is interesting, and might put my name recognition thing to the test. Tales is obviously a known quantity around here, but its not actually that strong, outside of Symphonia. All other Tales stuff has flopped pretty tremendously, and even though Berseria is the best goddamn game in the series, the fact that it is Not Symphonia, means it probably falls in the trash heap with the rest. Now, Hollow Knight isnt exactly a ringer here either. Its only been in two polls that I can see, and neither of them is particularly impressive. But despite that, I still perceive the game is relatively popular. I still see people talk about it and its expansions/sequels, it was incredibly well received, and I feel like its more well known than a few piddly GameFAQs polls would lead you to believe. I think there are a lot of places you could have put Hollow Knight in this bracket to have it fall on its face, but against Berseria? That seems like as good of a shot as any. Kleenexs Prediction: Hollow Knight with 59.50% ____________________________________________________________________________ Guests Analysis - Luster Soldier The general opinion of this match is quite mixed, with a good number of people on both sides thinking that either game has a chance of winning this one. This really surprises me because Hollow Knight is already at a disadvantage for being an indie game. You have to view most indie games with a fair degree of skepticism until they can prove their strength. The concept of the indie glass ceiling is sure to be mentioned numerous times in match write-ups by different people over the course of this contest, and I just don't think Hollow Knight is one of those games. I would certainly pick Shovel Knight over Tales of Berseria, but not Hollow Knight. Hollow Knight may have a seeding advantage, but seeding almost never matters in a contest with the exception of the 1 seeds and maybe 2 seeds to a lesser extent. In the 2017 GotY polls, Hollow Knight got more than quadrupled by Cuphead in the indie poll, so its strength is clearly way down from Cuphead to begin with. Tales of Berseria has the advantage of being more of a GameFAQs type game as a single player RPG. Even if most Tales games have generally ranged from mediocre to slightly above average, the RPG genre of the games is enough to get the GameFAQs crowd to play them and should have a playrate advantage for this reason. Luster Soldier's Bracket: Tales of Berseria Luster Soldier's Prediction: Tales of Berseria - 55.84% ____________________________________________________________________________ Crew Consensus: The first Crew split! Hollow Knight is the slight favorite to advance. --- Moltar Status: hype Contest Analysis Crew Archives: http://thecrew.speedrunwiki.com/</quote> ... 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