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MetalmindStats 03/19/20 8:25:12 PM #359:	Leonhart4 posted... I mean, I've already said that I thought X was a bit fraudulent, so Crono beating him doesn't matter. I guess it's hard to gauge whether or not X was really fraudulent in 2013 - as you pointed out, his 2010 results certainly weren't the mark of a near-elite, but he righted the ship in 2018. If 2013 X ~= 2018 X, then Mario SFF'd him a bit; meanwhile, if 2013 X ~= 2010 X, then Crono would have prevailed by a very convincing margin 1-on-1. Either way, it's a point in Crono's favor. Leonhart4 posted... Magus beating Otacon during a good MGS year doesn't prove anything either. It just means Otacon went from being bad fodder to good fodder. We have nothing else to measure him by. Yeah, I wasn't trying to say it alone proved anything, but I think it's hard to deny Magus 60-40'ing a major MGS character in their best year, in a match some thought such a notorious choker would throw, is at least a good sign. Leonhart4 posted... And Cloud was weak enough to lose to Squirtle with no excuses like Crono had. He was routinely underperforming by a lot every round. Yes, but was he really below normal near-elites such as Bowser (though not in 2013) and even weaker than Sephiroth? I find it more plausible that Squirtle was around the same level as the likes of Red and Pikachu, and Cloud was at least a clear near-elite, which makes Frog's 35% a decent result. Leonhart4 posted... Also, I don't think Crono has really changed all that much after, say, 2006. He was always in the range to lose to a top tier near elite. I guess I'll agree to disagree. Pikachu was an established near-elite further fueled by Pokefear in 2013, and then went 1-1 against Mega Man in very close matches and didn't receive major SFF from the godslaying 2018 Link. To me, that's convincingly ahead of Vincent's prime of 48% on Sonic, 1-1 in very close matches against a washed-up Crono in fourways, and 35% on Link in a match with two other Nintendo characters. Obviously, Crono's strength hasn't skyrocketed since his late 2000s nadir the way his game's did, but I think he's at least distinctly improved since then. --- "I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people who do." You won the CBX Guru Contest, Advokaiser! Bully for you! <cite>MetalmindStats posted [p:935918775] in my 5 best ... [t:78448163]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite> <quote>I mean, I've already said that I thought X was a bit fraudulent, so Crono beating him doesn't matter.</quote>I guess it's hard to gauge whether or not X was really fraudulent in 2013 - as you pointed out, his 2010 results certainly weren't the mark of a near-elite, but he righted the ship in 2018. If 2013 X ~= 2018 X, then Mario SFF'd him a bit; meanwhile, if 2013 X ~= 2010 X, then Crono would have prevailed by a very convincing margin 1-on-1. Either way, it's a point in Crono's favor. Leonhart4 posted... </cite> <quote>Magus beating Otacon during a good MGS year doesn't prove anything either. It just means Otacon went from being bad fodder to good fodder. We have nothing else to measure him by.</quote>Yeah, I wasn't trying to say it alone proved anything, but I think it's hard to deny Magus 60-40'ing a major MGS character in their best year, in a match some thought such a notorious choker would throw, is at least a good sign. Leonhart4 posted... </cite> <quote>And Cloud was weak enough to lose to Squirtle with no excuses like Crono had. He was routinely underperforming by a lot every round.</quote>Yes, but was he really below normal near-elites such as Bowser (though not in 2013) and even weaker than Sephiroth? I find it more plausible that Squirtle was around the same level as the likes of Red and Pikachu, and Cloud was at least a clear near-elite, which makes Frog's 35% a decent result. Leonhart4 posted... </cite> <quote>Also, I don't think Crono has really changed all that much after, say, 2006. He was always in the range to lose to a top tier near elite.</quote>I guess I'll agree to disagree. Pikachu was an established near-elite further fueled by Pokefear in 2013, and then went 1-1 against Mega Man in very close matches and didn't receive major SFF from the godslaying 2018 Link. To me, that's convincingly ahead of Vincent's prime of 48% on Sonic, 1-1 in very close matches against a washed-up Crono in fourways, and 35% on Link in a match with two other Nintendo characters. Obviously, Crono's strength hasn't skyrocketed since his late 2000s nadir the way his game's did, but I think he's at least distinctly improved since then. --- "I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people who do." You won the CBX Guru Contest, Advokaiser! Bully for you!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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