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Topic	my 5 best and worst picks in contest history
LeonhartFour 03/19/20 7:33:57 PM #355:	#2 Good Pick - Squall > Magus (2005) https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2088-devil-division-round-1-magus-vs-knuckles-the-echidna This might have been #1 if Squall had actually gotten to beat him! Believe it or not, there was a time in this contest's history where many people believed Magus was the #10 character and might have even had what it took to take down a Noble Niner. He had edged out Ganondorf, who had edged out Tidus (who had put up 42% on a Sonic that was equal with Samus, who was equal with Sephiroth, who was equal with Mega Man. 2018 has really come back full circle to a time when the Noble Nine characters were basically equal with each other except for Link way above them), and then he had gotten 35% on Link in the sprite round. We didn't really fully grasp the concept of bandwagons, overperformances due to bad pictures, and all that stuff at the time, naturally, so it all seemed legit. Then Magus faced the pathetic Luca Blight in round 1 in 2004 before getting SFF'd by Crono, so his strength was masked. Meanwhile, Ganondorf and Tidus had seemingly validated their 2003 X-Stat numbers through their performances, but we didn't realize that Ganondorf had probably boosted due to Twilight Princess hype and Tidus/Shadow being equally overrated is one of the weirdest coincidences in contest history. Skip ahead to 2005, and we get the appropriately named Devil Division, with Dante, Vincent, Squall, and Magus (we also had Terra and Kerrigan, who flopped terribly, although Terra is for some reason now as strong as we thought she could be). Magus seemed like the obvious favorite to most of the board, but I knew in my heart and mind that Squall could win that match. I had a few others who were on board with me, like Heroic Mario and Lopen, but I was widely mocked for thinking Squall even had a chance (we were brutal to each other in 2005, man). However, this pick was based in the logic that Magus had been overrated all along and we had missed it. I've scoured the Stats Topic archives for the original post where I crunch the numbers, but I must've made a separate topic about it. It was presumably inspired by this post. And where is all of this Squall > Magus stuff coming from? Squall doesn't stand a chance. Is that so? Have you noticed that characters who have been measured through Magus don't end up seeming as strong when they're measured independently from him? Let's look at Sam Fisher for a second. Magus failed to double him up, someone Samus quadrupled and took a large dive in the stats. Then you see that Squall got 64.71% on Bomberman, and would you take Fisher over him? I really hope not. Then let's look at Luca Blight. It's bad enough that he gets quadrupled by Magus on his own. Then comes the Spring Contest. He lost 60/40 to Wesker, who then went on to lose to Kefka by even more than Luca himself would have been expected to lose. Yes, people keep wanting to blame that on Angel Kefka, but I say it's more of a result of overestimation of Luca Blight. He turned out to be much weaker than we thought, much like Sam Fisher. We can even look at Tidus. His position in the 2004 stats may be questionable, but if it IS accurate, then that also brings into question the position of Magus. Keeping him in the same proportion to Tidus would drop Magus below Squall. Tidus fell 10% short of expectations against Mega Man. It may be a fluke, or it may be a warning sign. Heck, we can even draw a little bit from Ganondorf. He underperformed by 3% off of expectations against Alucard. I know we've "officially" blamed that on Sephiroth overperforming in 2003, but if we don't, Ganondorf actually falls into almost exactly the same proportion to Bowser (who is slightly below Squall) as he had in the Villains Contest. Squall has no chance? I beg to differ, my friend. As an aside, why didn't I listen to myself about Tidus? Argh. Anyway, Magus turned out to be even more overrated than I thought! I remember waking up early to check on the results of Knux/Magus and was absolutely stunned to see that Knuckles was in the lead. I'm still sad that Squall didn't get to face Magus directly because he would've beaten him fairly convincingly. Knux was able to overperform due to the bandwagon effect of beating Magus, so he still ended up being overrated for a couple more years! Seriously, can we bring back this era please? --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:935916465] in my 5 best ... [t:78448163]...</cite> <quote>#2 Good Pick - Squall > Magus (2005) https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/poll/2088-devil-division-round-1-magus-vs-knuckles-the-echidna This might have been #1 if Squall had actually gotten to beat him! Believe it or not, there was a time in this contest's history where many people believed Magus was the #10 character and might have even had what it took to take down a Noble Niner. He had edged out Ganondorf, who had edged out Tidus (who had put up 42% on a Sonic that was equal with Samus, who was equal with Sephiroth, who was equal with Mega Man. 2018 has really come back full circle to a time when the Noble Nine characters were basically equal with each other except for Link way above them), and then he had gotten 35% on Link in the sprite round. We didn't really fully grasp the concept of bandwagons, overperformances due to bad pictures, and all that stuff at the time, naturally, so it all seemed legit. Then Magus faced the pathetic Luca Blight in round 1 in 2004 before getting SFF'd by Crono, so his strength was masked. Meanwhile, Ganondorf and Tidus had seemingly validated their 2003 X-Stat numbers through their performances, but we didn't realize that Ganondorf had probably boosted due to Twilight Princess hype and Tidus/Shadow being equally overrated is one of the weirdest coincidences in contest history. Skip ahead to 2005, and we get the appropriately named Devil Division, with Dante, Vincent, Squall, and Magus (we also had Terra and Kerrigan, who flopped terribly, although Terra is for some reason now as strong as we thought she could be). Magus seemed like the obvious favorite to most of the board, but I knew in my heart and mind that Squall could win that match. I had a few others who were on board with me, like Heroic Mario and Lopen, but I was widely mocked for thinking Squall even had a chance (we were brutal to each other in 2005, man). However, this pick was based in the logic that Magus had been overrated all along and we had missed it. I've scoured the Stats Topic archives for the original post where I crunch the numbers, but I must've made a separate topic about it. It was presumably inspired by this post. <quote>And where is all of this Squall > Magus stuff coming from? Squall doesn't stand a chance. Is that so? Have you noticed that characters who have been measured through Magus don't end up seeming as strong when they're measured independently from him? Let's look at Sam Fisher for a second. Magus failed to double him up, someone Samus quadrupled and took a large dive in the stats. Then you see that Squall got 64.71% on Bomberman, and would you take Fisher over him? I really hope not. Then let's look at Luca Blight. It's bad enough that he gets quadrupled by Magus on his own. Then comes the Spring Contest. He lost 60/40 to Wesker, who then went on to lose to Kefka by even more than Luca himself would have been expected to lose. Yes, people keep wanting to blame that on Angel Kefka, but I say it's more of a result of overestimation of Luca Blight. He turned out to be much weaker than we thought, much like Sam Fisher. We can even look at Tidus. His position in the 2004 stats may be questionable, but if it IS accurate, then that also brings into question the position of Magus. Keeping him in the same proportion to Tidus would drop Magus below Squall. Tidus fell 10% short of expectations against Mega Man. It may be a fluke, or it may be a warning sign. Heck, we can even draw a little bit from Ganondorf. He underperformed by 3% off of expectations against Alucard. I know we've "officially" blamed that on Sephiroth overperforming in 2003, but if we don't, Ganondorf actually falls into almost exactly the same proportion to Bowser (who is slightly below Squall) as he had in the Villains Contest. Squall has no chance? I beg to differ, my friend.</quote> As an aside, why didn't I listen to myself about Tidus? Argh. Anyway, Magus turned out to be even more overrated than I thought! I remember waking up early to check on the results of Knux/Magus and was absolutely stunned to see that Knuckles was in the lead. I'm still sad that Squall didn't get to face Magus directly because he would've beaten him fairly convincingly. Knux was able to overperform due to the bandwagon effect of beating Magus, so he still ended up being overrated for a couple more years! Seriously, can we bring back this era please? --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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