LogFAQs > #933737039

some musings while I should really be working, but hell it's Friday:

Ben
-I'm inclined to give ben credit for being quick to call for Han's head after Han claimed (saying that Han's claim was too similar to his role)

-however, quite oddly, right after Han claimed Ben also posted a list removing power claims and people he trusts, in order to narrow down scum, and Han was...not on that list? Ben, anything to say about that one?

-another comment is that I can't give Ben 100% credit for the quick counter, because it is clear from his day 1 that he was planning to claim psychic from the very beginning of the game which is possible for scum psychic to do as well

-although if ben was honest when he said his MO as scum is always prioritizing survival...locking in your scum claim day 1 for no real reason doesn't seem to fit. (though, of course he could have just dropped all the LockOnTarget stuff and called himself vanilla starting day 2 if he wanted...which would be suspicious except it also loops back around to giving him slightly more town points for the quick counter >_< head spinning...)

Han
-the pretty obvious scum play from Han was to suck up to Chris since he had already been poisoned and he knew that Chris was going to be dead after Day 2. So get on Chris's good side right before he bites the dust.

-though his whole angle through the entirety of day 2 is almost flawless if he is scum doing that angle. from suspecting Lea for vote behavior to immediately doubling down on it by interrogating Chris after the private chat reveal because it made sense given his role that Lea scum -> Chris town

-basically if Han is scum, he definitely had an idea for his claim from the moment he decided to target Chris N1 (which, makes a lot of sense because any scum targeting Chris N1 is always going to half expect to be forced to talk about it at some point since Chris is such a popular target)

-I really do like Han's day 2 personally. Chris did too. I only wonder if it ever crossed Chris's mind that Han might just be sucking up to him knowing he was going to die. But after just typing that I feel like that is just being ridiculously disrespectful to the greatest mafia player in the world to suggest that he wouldn't consider the possibility of a good scum player sucking up to him. Like yeah obviously Chris considered it. Don't be stupid puns.

-the biggest red flag to me with Han is he just...felt like he super deflated at a point. idk it's weird and could possibly be explained by the fact he was hoping to offer himself up as power hunting bait as a spent poisoner by doing the claiming blocked thing multiple days but it never happened and so after a couple days he was like, checked out mentally but still not getting lynched and he just kinda lost interest. Though, saying that, you know what it just really does not make sense to me that a Scum Han who is coasting through the game would become disinterested. In fact that is actually kinda weird to think.

I know I am going to be unpopular but I really would not be shocked even a little to learn that Han and Ben are both town. There are town signs in both of their claims in terms of how and when and why they claimed and they both had logical lead ups to it. (for ben, obviously fishing to get targeted and for han, the way he suspected lea/trusted chris then super perked up regarding the chat reveal and doubled down on Lea as scum waaaaay before we ever threatened to lynch him)

That does bring it back around to MZero almost needing to be Scum based on setup meta. And there's that weird point about potential Scum MZero choosing to claim having targeted Chris N1 even though a Town Han had already revealed Chris was targeted by Scum N1. Though tbh it was pretty easy to assume Chris was targeted by Scum N1 regardless so maybe it didn't seem that dangerous or hell maybe it didn't even cross his mind to say it. If MZero is scum and Ben/Han are town then MZero had to try to go toe-to-toe with them to lynch them anyway so why worry about being at odds with them slightly more?