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Topic	I find it ironic that Democrats started all that impeachment process...
darkknight109 12/17/19 1:41:13 PM #126:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... So the US told Ukraine they won't get aid unless they do what the US wants. Loan guarantees are not aid (though that is a slim distinction) SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Trump asked Ukraine to do something but never made it a condition of receiving aid. Incorrect, and numerous people have testified under oath to this fact, including: -Gordon Sondland, Trump's Ambassador to the EU, who was heavily involved in the Ukraine inquiry. Notably, Sondland initially gave testimony favourable to Trump but, upon hearing about the statements other witnesses had made, later amended it seemingly to avoid perjury charges. Sondland has now said it was his understanding that the White House meeting and military aid were conditioned on Zelenskiy doing as Trump asked, and he stated as much to Andriy Yermak, an aide to the Ukranian president. -Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the Director for European Affairs. Vindman testified "there was no doubt" Trump wanted to trade military aide for Ukraine's investigations. -William Taylor, Trump's Ambassador to Ukraine. Taylor repeatedly raised concerns about a quid pro quo and was largely brushed off by administration officials. Taylor also reviewed the summary transcript and found significant omissions, including a significant amount of time Trump spent talking about Biden, and requested that corrections be made. These corrections were denied. -According to texts between Kurt Volker (special envoy to Ukraine) and Gordon Sondland, Zelenskiy was actually sent a script by presidential aides laying out exactly what he should say in his statement. Notably, Volker resigned almost immediately after the scandal broke. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... Biden was assigned this job. It was his job to see that an investigation into Burisma occurs. Alright. Still waiting to hear the corrupt part here. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... This fact doesn't contradict anything I said. Why are you bringing this up? Because you've said that Biden was corrupt for pushing for the ouster of a prosecutor who was supposed to be investigating Burisma, the company his son worked for; I'm simply showing that a lot more people, including those outside the US, wanted Shokin gone. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... They are, and they have been planning to impeach him before the Mueller report even came out. So why didn't they do it when the Mueller report came out? When they had over 1000 bipartisan legal professionals agreeing that the report met the standard for high crimes and misdemeanours? SKARDAVNELNATE posted... They've been planning it since the election results. So they wait until Trump is 3/4 of the way through his term so that at best they would be stripping him of less than a year's worth of power and making Pence - a man who has more conservative bonafides and none of Trump's political vulnerability - in power? Seems tactically questionable. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:931712213] in I find it ... [t:78246484]...</cite> <quote>SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>So the US told Ukraine they won't get aid unless they do what the US wants.</quote>Loan guarantees are not aid (though that is a slim distinction) SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>Trump asked Ukraine to do something but never made it a condition of receiving aid.</quote>Incorrect, and numerous people have testified under oath to this fact, including: -Gordon Sondland, Trump's Ambassador to the EU, who was heavily involved in the Ukraine inquiry. Notably, Sondland initially gave testimony favourable to Trump but, upon hearing about the statements other witnesses had made, later amended it seemingly to avoid perjury charges. Sondland has now said it was his understanding that the White House meeting and military aid were conditioned on Zelenskiy doing as Trump asked, and he stated as much to Andriy Yermak, an aide to the Ukranian president. -Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, the Director for European Affairs. Vindman testified "there was no doubt" Trump wanted to trade military aide for Ukraine's investigations. -William Taylor, Trump's Ambassador to Ukraine. Taylor repeatedly raised concerns about a quid pro quo and was largely brushed off by administration officials. Taylor also reviewed the summary transcript and found significant omissions, including a significant amount of time Trump spent talking about Biden, and requested that corrections be made. These corrections were denied. -According to texts between Kurt Volker (special envoy to Ukraine) and Gordon Sondland, Zelenskiy was actually sent a script by presidential aides laying out exactly what he should say in his statement. Notably, Volker resigned almost immediately after the scandal broke. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>Biden was assigned this job. It was his job to see that an investigation into Burisma occurs.</quote>Alright. Still waiting to hear the corrupt part here. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>This fact doesn't contradict anything I said. Why are you bringing this up?</quote>Because you've said that Biden was corrupt for pushing for the ouster of a prosecutor who was supposed to be investigating Burisma, the company his son worked for; I'm simply showing that a lot more people, including those outside the US, wanted Shokin gone. SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>They are, and they have been planning to impeach him before the Mueller report even came out.</quote>So why didn't they do it when the Mueller report came out? When they had over 1000 bipartisan legal professionals agreeing that the report met the standard for high crimes and misdemeanours? SKARDAVNELNATE posted... </cite> <quote>They've been planning it since the election results.</quote>So they wait until Trump is 3/4 of the way through his term so that at best they would be stripping him of less than a year's worth of power and making Pence - a man who has more conservative bonafides and none of Trump's political vulnerability - in power? Seems tactically questionable. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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