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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Without knowing what Rudy Giuliani said to Trump about her, if Trump was lead to think she was part of the problem in Ukraine then why would he trust her in helping determine if sending aid to Ukraine is in the interest of the US?

Even if he opted to replace her with someone else, that doesn't change the process. Just use whatever person he sends in to replace her to carry out the process instead.

Situations like this are the exact reason why there are procedures for asking a foreign country for assistance in an investigation - so that all possibilities for even the appearance of a conflict of interest are addressed.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

So he needed to do information gathering on his own to a) determine if an investigation was called for and b) ensure it's success if it is. That required cooperation with Ukraine.

So let me get this straight: You think that Trump needed an investigation to see if an investigation was warranted, so he contacted a country he suspected of being untrustworthy to help him with his investigation into their trustworthiness and withheld aid to test that trustworthiness then released it when they proved they were trustworthy by doing nothing and not acceding to any of his demands.

Do I about have the long and short of this incredibly ridiculous defence?

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

The US had to withhold aid to Ukraine in the past to remove the previously mentioned prosecutor.

Technically they didn't withhold aid, they just threatened to not guarantee any more Ukrainian loans unless Shokin was fired.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

It was Biden's job to pressure Ukraine into doing this.The company that the prosecutor was meant to investigate employs Biden's son.

Hmm, you're right, that sure sounds suspicious... until you remember that the EU and the IMF were also pushing for Shokin's ouster and that the main entity on the US side pressing for him to be fired was the American embassy, not Biden (Biden was apparently pressed into service at the embassy's request, as they wanted some big guns to lean on Ukrainian leadership). Or are you going to tell me that all of those groups also had sons working for Ukrainian companies that Shokin was supposed to be investigating?

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Then when an investigation does occur there were no grounds for charges.

So did a concurrent British investigation into the same transactions.

Lemme guess - Biden tried to get them fired too?

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Well that's unfortunate because an announcement would have cleared things up.

Unlikely - it just would have been Zelenskiy giving into Trump's extortion, which is why he immediately cancelled it as soon as the aid was released.

If anything, that should be a pretty solid indicator of how well-founded Trump's accusations were (which is to say, not at all).

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