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Topic	I find it ironic that Democrats started all that impeachment process...
SKARDAVNELNATE 12/16/19 10:43:39 AM #91:	darkknight109 posted... First you say that Shokin was trying to fight corruption, now you're agreeing with me that he's corrupt? I said "investigating a company within their country and what happened with a preosecutor in their legal system that was looking into that company." I didn't say he was tryting to fight corruption. If anything he was inadequate in his role of looking into it. darkknight109 posted... Trump cannot "approve" aid! He is literally not allowed to do that! That's part of the reason why he's in so much trouble. It is congress's job to approve aid and determine how much is spent and in what way. Not the president's. So if the president has doubt about whether sending aid is in the interest of the US is he not able to go before congress with reasons why they should reconsider? darkknight109 posted... why did he release them as soon as the whistleblower complaint was filed? Why did he try to blame another part of the government? Why didn't he just stand up and say, "I ordered the funds frozen, because I am concerned about corruption in Ukraine?" He would have liked to test them further but was adequately convinced he wasn't giving aid to the bad guys. With the Ukrainians aware of the delay he released the aid lest the delay itself become an obstacle in future diplomacy. He doesn't want to openly say he thought the Ukraine President was shady following the willingness he has shown to help the US. That would be bad diplomacy. darkknight109 posted... First off, I have to say that your argument that Trump was too stupid to realize something that was literally part of his job to be refreshingly honest about his capabilities as president. Trump's policies are America first. I imagine foreign affairs are a low priority to him. darkknight109 posted... That being said, we do know when Trump knew of the situation in Ukraine, because various people have testified about it. Trump disliked Ukraine, because he latched onto conspiracy theories that it was actually them that hacked the election and they did so as a false-flag on behalf of the Democrats I see this doesn't actually mention a time frame. Since he does believe this, it's all the more reason for him to question if sending them aid is helping the bad guys. darkknight109 posted... He badmouthed her constantly to Trump, who eventually ordered her dismissal, despite several people in the State Department urging Mike Pompeo to step up and defend her, because the allegations being made against her were unfounded. Without knowing what Rudy Giuliani said to Trump about her, if Trump was lead to think she was part of the problem in Ukraine then why would he trust her in helping determine if sending aid to Ukraine is in the interest of the US? darkknight109 posted... It would be more politically damaging to him than Biden if he was seen to be ordering the investigation. So he needed to do information gathering on his own to a) determine if an investigation was called for and b) ensure it's success if it is. That required cooperation with Ukraine. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:931660733] in I find it ... [t:78246484]...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>First you say that Shokin was trying to fight corruption, now you're agreeing with me that he's corrupt?</quote>I said "investigating a company within their country and what happened with a preosecutor in their legal system that was looking into that company." I didn't say he was tryting to fight corruption. If anything he was inadequate in his role of looking into it. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>Trump cannot "approve" aid! He is literally not allowed to do that! That's part of the reason why he's in so much trouble. It is congress's job to approve aid and determine how much is spent and in what way. Not the president's.</quote>So if the president has doubt about whether sending aid is in the interest of the US is he not able to go before congress with reasons why they should reconsider? darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>why did he release them as soon as the whistleblower complaint was filed? Why did he try to blame another part of the government? Why didn't he just stand up and say, "I ordered the funds frozen, because I am concerned about corruption in Ukraine?"</quote>He would have liked to test them further but was adequately convinced he wasn't giving aid to the bad guys. With the Ukrainians aware of the delay he released the aid lest the delay itself become an obstacle in future diplomacy. He doesn't want to openly say he thought the Ukraine President was shady following the willingness he has shown to help the US. That would be bad diplomacy. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>First off, I have to say that your argument that Trump was too stupid to realize something that was literally part of his job to be refreshingly honest about his capabilities as president.</quote>Trump's policies are America first. I imagine foreign affairs are a low priority to him. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>That being said, we do know when Trump knew of the situation in Ukraine, because various people have testified about it. Trump disliked Ukraine, because he latched onto conspiracy theories that it was actually them that hacked the election and they did so as a false-flag on behalf of the Democrats</quote>I see this doesn't actually mention a time frame. Since he does believe this, it's all the more reason for him to question if sending them aid is helping the bad guys. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>He badmouthed her constantly to Trump, who eventually ordered her dismissal, despite several people in the State Department urging Mike Pompeo to step up and defend her, because the allegations being made against her were unfounded.</quote>Without knowing what Rudy Giuliani said to Trump about her, if Trump was lead to think she was part of the problem in Ukraine then why would he trust her in helping determine if sending aid to Ukraine is in the interest of the US? darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>It would be more politically damaging to him than Biden if he was seen to be ordering the investigation.</quote>So he needed to do information gathering on his own to a) determine if an investigation was called for and b) ensure it's success if it is. That required cooperation with Ukraine. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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