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Topic	I find it ironic that Democrats started all that impeachment process...
SKARDAVNELNATE 12/15/19 2:02:17 PM #69:	darkknight109 posted... 1) Withholding congressionally apportioned funds, for starters. Sending aid to a foreign government that is potentially corrupt, is ignoring a shady company within their country, and has corrupt prosecutors in their legal system is a bad thing. I think Trump did right in trying to determine if the US was helping the bad guys before approving the aid. darkknight109 posted... 2) Lying about it. Congress was not informed that the funds were being withheld and presidential aids were instructed to lie or mislead anyone in congress who asked, by claiming that there was a bureaucratic hold-up rather than stating that Trump had stopped up the funds. Where's the lie? There was a bureaucratic hold-up. darkknight109 posted... Only now, with Biden leading the polls and looking to be a serious threat to Trump's already-tenuous chances of re-election, has he decided this is a serious issue. We don't know when Trump learned of the situation in Ukraine and the 2 matters could be entirely coincidental. Further Trump's approval rating is good and people are abandoning the Democratic party over matters of policy. Trump has no reason to worry about Biden. darkknight109 posted... Failing to follow the proper procedure for an investigation. Again, Trump needs to know if the government he's sending aid to is corrupt. If the Ukraine government announces they are investigating something then the Ukrainian people will hold them to it. If he goes through private channels then it can be easily covered up before the Ukrainian public learn of it. darkknight109 posted... What Trump should have done, to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest, is gone through the American ambassador to Ukraine and the American embassy, who would liaise with Ukrainian counterparts and set out the appropriate steps. Wasn't the American ambassador to Ukraine (Marie Yovanovitch) recalled for refusing to do that very thing you just described? darkknight109 posted... "Assist the US"? Then why isn't there an American investigation into this? Why is Trump getting Ukraine to do his dirty work? Does the US have jurisdiction to investigate companies in another country? This is the first step in a process to launch an American investigation, or determining if one is called for based on the evidence they turn up. darkknight109 posted... Again, you don't seem to get this: there is absolutely no evidence that Joe Biden did anything improper in Ukraine or elsewhere. None. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. Since when does the media wait for evidence? --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:931620762] in I find it ... [t:78246484]...</cite> <quote>darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>1) Withholding congressionally apportioned funds, for starters.</quote>Sending aid to a foreign government that is potentially corrupt, is ignoring a shady company within their country, and has corrupt prosecutors in their legal system is a bad thing. I think Trump did right in trying to determine if the US was helping the bad guys before approving the aid. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>2) Lying about it. Congress was not informed that the funds were being withheld and presidential aids were instructed to lie or mislead anyone in congress who asked, by claiming that there was a bureaucratic hold-up rather than stating that Trump had stopped up the funds.</quote>Where's the lie? There was a bureaucratic hold-up. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>Only now, with Biden leading the polls and looking to be a serious threat to Trump's already-tenuous chances of re-election, has he decided this is a serious issue.</quote>We don't know when Trump learned of the situation in Ukraine and the 2 matters could be entirely coincidental. Further Trump's approval rating is good and people are abandoning the Democratic party over matters of policy. Trump has no reason to worry about Biden. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>Failing to follow the proper procedure for an investigation.</quote>Again, Trump needs to know if the government he's sending aid to is corrupt. If the Ukraine government announces they are investigating something then the Ukrainian people will hold them to it. If he goes through private channels then it can be easily covered up before the Ukrainian public learn of it. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>What Trump should have done, to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest, is gone through the American ambassador to Ukraine and the American embassy, who would liaise with Ukrainian counterparts and set out the appropriate steps.</quote>Wasn't the American ambassador to Ukraine (Marie Yovanovitch) recalled for refusing to do that very thing you just described? darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>"Assist the US"? Then why isn't there an American investigation into this? Why is Trump getting Ukraine to do his dirty work?</quote>Does the US have jurisdiction to investigate companies in another country? This is the first step in a process to launch an American investigation, or determining if one is called for based on the evidence they turn up. darkknight109 posted... </cite> <quote>Again, you don't seem to get this: there is absolutely no evidence that Joe Biden did anything improper in Ukraine or elsewhere. None. Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada.</quote>Since when does the media wait for evidence? --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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