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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

They aren't investigating a political opponent. They're investigating a company within their country.

Trump mentioned Biden several times in his famous "perfect" transcript (and apparently, according to the sworn testimony of one of the parties to the call, an entire sub-conversation about Biden was removed from the transcript despite his request to have it added in); the word "Burisma" does not appear even once.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

and what happened with a preosecutor in their legal system that was looking into that company.

Viktor Shokin was not looking into Burisma. The investigation was left to go dormant before the EU, the IMF, and the US started pushing for his ouster. Hell, conduct like that is exactly *why* those groups (notably consisting of more than just Biden and more than just the United States) wanted him gone.

BTW, Shokin was legendarily corrupt, several of his prosecutors quit while alleging serious ethical breaches in his office (two others were found with the proceeds of bribes in their possession), and he failed to prosecute any contemporary or prior members of Ukraine's government, despite ample evidence. Ordinary Ukrainians were protesting and demanding he be removed from his post. If you're trying to protect your son from a corruption investigation (more on that in a second), removing a prosecutor who is soft on corruption isn't really a winning move.

Also worth noting: Shokin's successor re-opened the investigation into Burisma, with nary a whisper of objection from the US. The investigation, along with a parallel UK investigation that was launched because the Brits were concerned that Shokin was leaving the investigation to die, both determined that there were no grounds for charges.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

The Ukraine investigation into Burisma is needed to determine if there is cause to investigate Biden for corruption.

The allegations against Burisma date to several years before Hunter Biden was involved with the company. Ukraine's anti-corruption force even released a statement on this matter, clarifying that all matters under investigation dealt with transactions that were completed between 2010 and 2012, with Biden not joining the company in any capacity until 2014. The Ukrainians have confirmed that Hunter Biden is not, was not, and never has been a subject of any investigation or any allegations of wrongdoing.

SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

The Ukrainian president says he didn't know about the delay in aid when he agreed to the request.

Which, even if true (which I doubt - Zelenskiy seems to be just keeping his head down at this point, given how dependent he is on American military aid) changes absolutely nothing.

If a cop pulls me over, claims he suspects I'm driving under the influence, then offers to let me go if I pay him $500, he is guilty of solicitation of a bribe. This is true:
1) Regardless of whether I take him up on his offer
2) Regardless of whether I actually was doing anything illegal
3) Regardless of whether he eventually lets me go (whether or not I paid the bribe)
and
4) Regardless of whether I felt any pressure from his offer (bribery does not require the solicited party to feel pressure; that's what separates it from extortion)

Even if Zelenskiy had no idea that aid was being withheld, that changes absolutely nothing about what Trump did and it's *his* behaviour - not Zelenskiy's - that is the issue here.

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