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EventualDecline posted...

LOL at people who think capitalism wrecked the environment, when communist regimes are historically the biggest polluters. The SJWs are awfully silent in this thread.

Might have something to do with them not being tankies, and the fact that the entire framing of the argument is dishonest. Runaway pollution is due to a combination of tech booms like the industrial revolution coupled with the failures of research into the consequences of not curtailing pollution keeping up with said booms, and governments of pretty much any kind being unwilling to regulate production and waste for fear of cutting into profit or progress speed.

It just so happens that if you have system which is susceptible to corporate interests, a given government is dis-incentivized to regulate, and there's no system that isn't susceptible to this, though fascism has by far the worst potential for it due to the incredibly close relations and interests between the private and public sector under that system. So currently we have the USA being a major polluter due to a dismantling of regulations on pretty much every front over the course of many decades, and China which has adopted a state capitalist system in an effort to boost-jump its economy to the front of the international economic race- and they will NOT compromise their effort to come out on top by cracking down on their ecological damage, not when the USA won't do the same.

Ffs, right now one of the most imminent threats to global environmental health is in Brazil, and it's not coming from Silva's ilk; it's from Bolsonaro's. He wants to clear vast swathes of rainforest for big ranching and mining operations, and assault the indigenous population while he's at it. Brazil is a massive country that is gearing up to do almost unfathomable amounts of ecological damage as we speak. Or how about Canada? Canada is a petrol state and its dealings with the USA to build pipelines has resulted in obscene amounts of pollution, but they aren't authoritarian leftists; they're capitalists.

*Shrug* TL:DR, it's not so much about the political systems in and of themselves, but geopolitical relationships as well as technological advances and corporate interests utilizing geopolitics to avoid being regulated. It's also not just a matter of scale but also what exactly is being damaged. Deforestation coupled with air polution and ocean acidification is a three-way primary threat and it's coming from multiple countries with vastly different political systems.

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