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Topic	Do you think environment is in such a bad shape because we picked Capitalism?
Unbridled9 12/12/19 11:05:02 PM #5:	Lobomoon posted... Do you think there is a parallel Earth where people went with Socialism and the environment there is in the great shape? No. ATM the worst polluter in the world is easily China and the damage that places like the U.S.S.R. did is simply staggering even if we didn't understand just what was going on at the time. Just look at what happened to the Aral sea! Obviously capitalism has it's problems, but when compared to the communism it's not a question. The primary reason, IMO, is that most communist nations hold no reason to care about the environment unless it threatens the power of the government and it's extremely easy to censor the spread of information. If your nation is struggling economically and the only way to fix it is to dump a bunch of toxins into the water from a factory that gets its tech from the 1960's and probably work about 20 people to death doing so, it's very easy to censor that info. Not so in a capitalist nation especially with the free press, social media, and other such things around. The thing is that a lot of nations have either small populations or are struggling technologically to the point where they can't be a major influence of global warming. Somewhere like, say, Macedonia or Sudan just isn't going to be able to compete with a nation that's both heavily populated and industrialized like America. That's before things like government corruption even appears as a factor. The interesting thing about a capitalist society is that it does actually contain at least some counters. Namely that it allows for the development of things like electric cars, stores and goods that are eco-friendly, and other such things handled by the buyer. It's hardly perfect, but compared to a place where the government could simply just crack down on the population and censor stuff to protect it's own power it's a bloody godsend for the planet. America will likely be #2-3 on the list of polluters for a looooong time simply because of its population and industralization, but it is improving at least somewhat. More could be done (such as a greater focus on cleaning up trash) but it's China and India that are currently the bigger environmental threats. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your *! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:931506437] in Do you thi... [t:78250310]...</cite> <quote>Lobomoon posted... </cite> <quote>Do you think there is a parallel Earth where people went with Socialism and the environment there is in the great shape?</quote> No. ATM the worst polluter in the world is easily China and the damage that places like the U.S.S.R. did is simply staggering even if we didn't understand just what was going on at the time. Just look at what happened to the Aral sea! Obviously capitalism has it's problems, but when compared to the communism it's not a question. The primary reason, IMO, is that most communist nations hold no reason to care about the environment unless it threatens the power of the government and it's extremely easy to censor the spread of information. If your nation is struggling economically and the only way to fix it is to dump a bunch of toxins into the water from a factory that gets its tech from the 1960's and probably work about 20 people to death doing so, it's very easy to censor that info. Not so in a capitalist nation especially with the free press, social media, and other such things around. The thing is that a lot of nations have either small populations or are struggling technologically to the point where they can't be a major influence of global warming. Somewhere like, say, Macedonia or Sudan just isn't going to be able to compete with a nation that's both heavily populated and industrialized like America. That's before things like government corruption even appears as a factor. The interesting thing about a capitalist society is that it does actually contain at least some counters. Namely that it allows for the development of things like electric cars, stores and goods that are eco-friendly, and other such things handled by the buyer. It's hardly perfect, but compared to a place where the government could simply just crack down on the population and censor stuff to protect it's own power it's a bloody godsend for the planet. America will likely be #2-3 on the list of polluters for a looooong time simply because of its population and industralization, but it is improving at least somewhat. More could be done (such as a greater focus on cleaning up trash) but it's China and India that are currently the bigger environmental threats. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your *! - White Mage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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