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ParanoidObsessive posted...

Foppe posted...

The first movie is most likely the result of earlier time travels

It would almost have to be, by definition.

First, you need the timeline where John Connor is never born and Skynet wins (though how do the humans manage to travel through time to fix things in that timeline?), then the second timeline is one where Kyle Reese travels back in time and John Connor is born (though how and why would they even KNOW they need to send Kyle back at all, to save someone they don't even know was ever going to exist, or have any impact on the future?), thus convincing Skynet that it needs to send a Terminator back to kill him in the first place, then finally you get the third timeline where it's finally possible to have what appears to be a causal loop (except the later movies then shit all over that anyway).

The first timeline got nobody coming back in time. Sarah gets a kid with somebody. Perhaps the father is a military that makes John interested in making a military career, perhaps it is an abusive drunk bastard that ruins Johns childhood and he sees the military as the family he needs, it doesnt really matter except that he is interested enough to be a highranked military. Skynet is created much later in this timeline and Judgement Day happened much later. Since it is the future, the resistance got access to more advanced weapons, and their guerrilla warfare tear downs Skynet faster than it expected. Even if it is a more advanced future, Skynet doesnt have the resources to build enough Terminators of high quality to fight back the resistance, so it decides to put a majority of its resources to create timetravel and remove the biggest threat it got, the leader of the resistance, John Connor.
Which in turn gives the resistance an upper hand, and they make their final attack against Skynet. John and his group enters a room just as Skynet sends back a Terminator in time. John reads the logs and realize that he must send back somebody to defeat the Terminator in the past.
Why does he chose Kyle? Perhaps Kyle was his right hand, perhaps he was the only one alive, perhaps he was the only one he could "sacrify".
Kyle goes back in time and manages to destroy the Terminator and survive, because this one was less advanced. Since he had nothing else to do, he decided to stay by Sarahs side, protecting her and her future child in case Skynet sent another Terminator, telling her what he knows about the future so she could prepare John better for his future role. As time went on, they fell in love and produced John, and they decided to train him from young age. But scientists found the remains of the first Terminator, which kickstarted their technology, Skynet got created earlier and Judgement Day happened earlier than what Kyle expected. John was still somewhat prepared and managed to get together a resistance. Since Skynet had a boost in future technology, it could create more advanced Terminators than in the original timeline, and it took longer for the resistance to be able to fight back. But they managed to tear down Skynet slowly, all thanks to John. So Skynet decided to invent timetravel and remove John once again. But this John had lived with Kyle as his father, so when he rescued him (and others) from a death camp, he just simply couldnt sending out Kyle on missions. Perhaps he was worried about if he would still live if Kyle got killed, perhaps he couldnt send out his own father, doesnt matter, this Kyle got less experience, which in the end got him killed when he defeated the Terminator. And since John had talked about Sarah so much with Kyle, he was manipulated into falling in love with Sarah.
Anyway, this timeline John sent back his father in time, and the third timeline starts, which is the first Terminator movie.
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