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Topic	Gun rights should be a left wing position.
darkknight109 08/16/19 11:10:30 AM #39:	Zeus posted... Gun ownership does that. Then why is the US - with its soaring gun ownership rate - so unsafe compared to its peers? And why, within the US, are states with lax gun laws so much more unsafe than states with strict gun laws. Gaawa_chan posted... Abortion is a social issue and a political issue No, it's not. Whether abortion is legal or not has nothing at all to do with how a country is governed (which would be a political issue). Whether a country is a democratic, communist, fascistic, or autocratic, any of the above could permit or ban abortions without impacting how the country is wrong. You need to spend some more time understanding what a "political issue" is. Gaawa_chan posted... Yes it does. I guess you just don't know anything about the death penalty either, then. I guess you don't understand what a political issue is. I don't even need to fall back on theory for this one. The US - one of the most politically right-wing developed governments in the world - has the death penalty, yet so does China, one of the most politically left-wing governments in the world. The death penalty is a punishment meted out to those already convicted of a crime. How you punish those in your custody for criminal activity has nothing to do with your political alignment and everything to do with how left/right wing you are socially. And you absolutely can be politically one way and socially another. Religious fundamentalists, for instance, are socially very conservative, but also tend to be politically moderate, or even liberal (in favour of helping the poor, strengthening the social safety net, etc.), while big business owners are politically conservative (seeing deregulation to maximize their profits and minimize government interference) but are generally socially liberal. The death penalty, being a punishment issue, is a social issue; it has nothing to do with political policy whatsoever and whether a country has the death penalty or not has no bearing on how it is run and administrated. Gaawa_chan posted... No, this is not an "American" issue. Might I suggest paying a little more attention to the news? Next you'll be saying Angela Merkel is a leftie or something lol. Angela Merkel took a great deal of criticism for not restricting the flow of refugees from Syria and essentially opening Germany's doors to them and offering them shelter. Since you've already admitted she's not a leftist, that already shoots a big hole in your point about immigration. The military is a similar issue, because most of the non-American militaries are of reasonable size (within 2% of the nation's GDP). America is one of a very small number of nations that struggles with military bloat. Most of the rest of us figured this shit out a long time ago. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:926142023] in Gun rights... [t:77941580]...</cite> <quote>Zeus posted...</cite> <quote>Gun ownership does that. </quote> Then why is the US - with its soaring gun ownership rate - so unsafe compared to its peers? And why, within the US, are states with lax gun laws so much more unsafe than states with strict gun laws. Gaawa_chan posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is a social issue and a political issue</quote> No, it's not. Whether abortion is legal or not has nothing at all to do with how a country is governed (which would be a political issue). Whether a country is a democratic, communist, fascistic, or autocratic, any of the above could permit or ban abortions without impacting how the country is wrong. You need to spend some more time understanding what a "political issue" is. Gaawa_chan posted...</cite> <quote>Yes it does. I guess you just don't know anything about the death penalty either, then.</quote> I guess you don't understand what a political issue is. I don't even need to fall back on theory for this one. The US - one of the most politically right-wing developed governments in the world - has the death penalty, yet so does China, one of the most politically left-wing governments in the world. The death penalty is a punishment meted out to those already convicted of a crime. How you punish those in your custody for criminal activity has nothing to do with your political alignment and everything to do with how left/right wing you are socially. And you absolutely can be politically one way and socially another. Religious fundamentalists, for instance, are socially very conservative, but also tend to be politically moderate, or even liberal (in favour of helping the poor, strengthening the social safety net, etc.), while big business owners are politically conservative (seeing deregulation to maximize their profits and minimize government interference) but are generally socially liberal. The death penalty, being a punishment issue, is a social issue; it has nothing to do with political policy whatsoever and whether a country has the death penalty or not has no bearing on how it is run and administrated. Gaawa_chan posted...</cite> <quote>No, this is not an "American" issue. Might I suggest paying a little more attention to the news? Next you'll be saying Angela Merkel is a leftie or something lol. </quote> Angela Merkel took a great deal of criticism for not restricting the flow of refugees from Syria and essentially opening Germany's doors to them and offering them shelter. Since you've already admitted she's not a leftist, that already shoots a big hole in your point about immigration. The military is a similar issue, because most of the non-American militaries are of reasonable size (within 2% of the nation's GDP). America is one of a very small number of nations that struggles with military bloat. Most of the rest of us figured this shit out a long time ago. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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