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Topic	Gun rights should be a left wing position.
darkknight109 08/15/19 11:39:07 PM #18:	Gaawa_chan posted... Now, if by left-wing you mean "liberal," that's another matter entirely, but considering the statement I just responded to, I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't even know the difference and will have to google liberalism... Don't have to Google it at all - there is no difference. "Liberal" and "Conservative" are synonymous with "left-wing" and "right-wing". Unless, of course, you're Australian, where the "Liberal" party is a centre-right party, but everything's a little odd in upside-down land. I swear there must be somewhere where this isn't taught, because this isn't the first time I've run into this misconception. Gaawa_chan posted... Let's go down the line, shall we? Sure, let's. Criminalizing abortion, turning miscarriages (1/5 of all pregnancies) into suspected murder Social issue, not political Death Penalty Has nothing to do with size of government Ineffectual, absurdly expensive immigration restrictions American issue, not a left/right issue Bloating the already bloated military budget American issue, not a left/right issue Anti drug decriminalization, inflating our prison population and clogging up our justice system Pretty much your only valid example supporting your point Gerrymandering American issue. Is also done by the Democrats, albeit less frequently. Not a left/right issue. Voting restrictions Has nothing to do with the size of government Dictating whether or not you can marry the consenting adult of your choice Social issue, has nothing to do with the size of goverrnment Dictating what bathroom you can use Social issue, has nothing to do with the size of goverrnment Union restrictions or outright eradication Supports small government by attempting to maximize competition For half your points you seem to be conflating social liberalism/conservatism with political liberalism/conservatism. Those are not the same things. Gaawa_chan posted... Are you for big or small government when it comes to marijuana? Abortion? Do you think that the State allow lobbying (small government, terrible idea)? Why do you care about my viewpoints on any of these things? Gaawa_chan posted... Why is it big government when we're talking about health care but not the military or immigration? It isn't. Well, to be fair, the military and immigration are inherent responsibilities of government that can't be offloaded to the private sector. Health care can - it's a terrible idea to do it, but it's doable. Keep in mind small government doesn't necessarily mean "spend less", though many conservatives do support that; it means "offload as much to the private sector as possible and minimize regulations so as to maximize competition and thereby maximize effectiveness." Or so the theory goes, at any rate... --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:926128409] in Gun rights... [t:77941580]...</cite> <quote>Gaawa_chan posted...</cite> <quote>Now, if by left-wing you mean "liberal," that's another matter entirely, but considering the statement I just responded to, I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't even know the difference and will have to google liberalism... </quote> Don't have to Google it at all - there is no difference. "Liberal" and "Conservative" are synonymous with "left-wing" and "right-wing". Unless, of course, you're Australian, where the "Liberal" party is a centre-right party, but everything's a little odd in upside-down land. I swear there must be somewhere where this isn't taught, because this isn't the first time I've run into this misconception. Gaawa_chan posted...</cite> <quote>Let's go down the line, shall we?</quote> Sure, let's. Criminalizing abortion, turning miscarriages (1/5 of all pregnancies) into suspected murder Social issue, not political Death Penalty Has nothing to do with size of government Ineffectual, absurdly expensive immigration restrictions American issue, not a left/right issue Bloating the already bloated military budget American issue, not a left/right issue Anti drug decriminalization, inflating our prison population and clogging up our justice system Pretty much your only valid example supporting your point Gerrymandering American issue. Is also done by the Democrats, albeit less frequently. Not a left/right issue. Voting restrictions Has nothing to do with the size of government Dictating whether or not you can marry the consenting adult of your choice Social issue, has nothing to do with the size of goverrnment Dictating what bathroom you can use Social issue, has nothing to do with the size of goverrnment Union restrictions or outright eradication Supports small government by attempting to maximize competition For half your points you seem to be conflating social liberalism/conservatism with political liberalism/conservatism. Those are not the same things. Gaawa_chan posted...</cite> <quote>Are you for big or small government when it comes to marijuana? Abortion? Do you think that the State allow lobbying (small government, terrible idea)?</quote> Why do you care about my viewpoints on any of these things? Gaawa_chan posted...</cite> <quote>Why is it big government when we're talking about health care but not the military or immigration?</quote> It isn't. Well, to be fair, the military and immigration are inherent responsibilities of government that can't be offloaded to the private sector. Health care can - it's a terrible idea to do it, but it's doable. Keep in mind small government doesn't necessarily mean "spend less", though many conservatives do support that; it means "offload as much to the private sector as possible and minimize regulations so as to maximize competition and thereby maximize effectiveness." Or so the theory goes, at any rate... --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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