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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 231: The Sleepy One
pyresword 07/30/19 2:29:03 PM #129:	red sox 777 posted... Racism loses almost all of its meaning if there's a better explanation for actions. Why? The purpose of labeling someone as a racist as I see it is to describe them as someone who willingly and intentionally treats some races better than others. I don't think the motivation is really relevant. For example, suppose there's a head of a company who systematically pays black people less than white people--predicting that black people are more willing to work for the lower wage. I'm going to describe that person as a racist even if I thought that they personally held no racist beliefs at all and that it was just a profit-driven strategy to spend less money on labor. GuessMyUserName posted... pyresword posted... Though, I'm not 100% sold on that claim, and in any case I agree that self-interest is the primary factor. Honestly by 2019 I struggle to understand how anyone has any doubt of this, the dude's racism are a completely impulsive kneejerk reactions based around his own personal disposition towards races. Whether he also uses it for self-interest or not, he 100% holds his own racists beliefs. Like I get you're not saying it isn't impossible or anything you just can't say for complete certainty... but I don't understand what's holding you back, it's quite blatant and has been out there for a long long time. I don't think anything's "holding me back". It's that I'm unwilling to make the leap from "there's a good chance" to "yep, definitely". If I were forced to bet on one or the other I'd probably bet on Trump holding racist beliefs, but I still think that the available information we have is consistent with either hypothesis. --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever <cite>pyresword posted [p:925387768] in Politics C... [t:77893872]...</cite> <quote>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>Racism loses almost all of its meaning if there's a better explanation for actions.</quote> Why? The purpose of labeling someone as a racist as I see it is to describe them as someone who willingly and intentionally treats some races better than others. I don't think the motivation is really relevant. For example, suppose there's a head of a company who systematically pays black people less than white people--predicting that black people are more willing to work for the lower wage. I'm going to describe that person as a racist even if I thought that they personally held no racist beliefs at all and that it was just a profit-driven strategy to spend less money on labor. GuessMyUserName posted...</cite> <quote>pyresword posted...</cite> <quote>Though, I'm not 100% sold on that claim, and in any case I agree that self-interest is the primary factor.</quote> Honestly by 2019 I struggle to understand how anyone has any doubt of this, the dude's racism are a completely impulsive kneejerk reactions based around his own personal disposition towards races. Whether he also uses it for self-interest or not, he 100% holds his own racists beliefs. Like I get you're not saying it isn't impossible or anything you just can't say for complete certainty... but I don't understand what's holding you back, it's quite blatant and has been out there for a long long time.</quote>I don't think anything's "holding me back". It's that I'm unwilling to make the leap from "there's a good chance" to "yep, definitely". If I were forced to bet on one or the other I'd probably bet on Trump holding racist beliefs, but I still think that the available information we have is consistent with either hypothesis. --- Oh woops. Putting Advokaiser in my sig like this until I think of something more clever</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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