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The Popo posted...

But if the situation is to mirror what Dennis describes in Always Sunny, then the mobster has done nothing to even show he is a mobster and has done absolutely nothing that is threatening. But you willingly went to a location with him and then became paranoid about the guy, despite him doing nothing threatening.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the original exchange:

Dennis: We gotta pop by the department store and get a mattress, I want a nice one too...
Mac: A what? A mattress? What do we need a mattress for?
Dennis: What do you mean, what do we need a mattress for? Why do you think we just spent all that money on a boat? The whole purpose of buying the boat in the first place was to get the ladies all nice and tipsy topside so we can take them to a nice comfortable place below deck, and, you know, they can't refuse. Because of the implication.
Mac: Oh, uh, OK. You had me going there for the first part. The second half kind of threw me.
Dennis: Dude, dude, think about it. She's out in the middle of nowhere with some dude she barely knows, she looks around, what does she see, nothing but open ocean. (Imitating female voice) "Oh, there's nowhere for me to run. What am I going to do? Say no?"
Mac: OK. That seems really dark.
Dennis: Nah, it's not dark. You're misunderstanding, bro.
Mac: I think I am.
Dennis: Yeah, you are. Because if the girl said no, the answer, obviously, is no. But the thing is she's not gonna say no. She would never say no. Because of the implication.

Dennis is very clearly trying to create a situation where girls will consent to sex because they feel that saying no is not an option. HE knows that he will respect their refusal, but he is choosing not to let the women know that. Someone deliberately creating a situation where you consent to giving them your wallet because you think saying no is not an option absolutely is a fair parallel. You would feel robbed, the girl would feel raped, and you would both be right. Analogies are meant to get points across, not be a 100% perfect parallel.

But if you prefer, we can change it to this: you visit a guy's house in a secluded area, and he gets you drunk. While you're there, you see his gun collection. While he makes no threats to you, you now know that he can overpower you at any time he chooses, just as the average man can overpower the average woman (and believe me, women are keenly aware of this). He then makes a suggestion you leave your wallet there. Because you are impaired, alone in an isolated location, and afraid of what might happen if you say no, you leave the wallet. The guy knows you feel this way, and chooses not to tell you that he will do nothing if you decide not to leave the wallet. So you leave the wallet, because you didn't feel you had a choice. The guy knew you didn't have a choice because of the implications. He wanted your wallet regardless of whether you wanted to give up your wallet, and he manipulated you into a situation where you didn't think saying no was an option.

Bugmeat posted...

If I volunteer my valuables without a threat, or even being asked for them, then no, it is not theft. But you're not sticking within the confines of the scenario that is being referenced. The character is not a known rapist. Your scenario uses someone who is an actual threat by their very nature of being a "mobster".

In your previous post, you described the scenario as "a setting created to induce the woman to make the threats in her own mind. To push her imagination in that direction so despite no threat ever being made she feels like if she doesn't something bad may happen." So we're talking about a situation where someone purposefully and knowingly makes you feel unsafe, takes advantage of that to get something they want, and tries to claim they did nothing wrong. See above for why your argument is flawed.
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