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Topic	Hearthstone Discussion Topic 493 - Rise of Shadows Is Upon Us
KokoroAkechi 04/27/19 3:20:48 PM #300:	azuarc posted... KokoroAkechi posted... The ban is really for lineup purposes. Since in a lot of pro events you know the bracket ahead of time and can do research on your opponents' usual decks and play styles you can tailor a lineup for your group stage. I'd assume most players are like "Make it out of groups and see what happens after that." because of the variance involved. You have to ban a deck. Iirc in the finals of HCT each player actually adds their final deck to their pool and you have the best of seven. The ban means you can construct lineups that are weak versus a popular deck. Like, let's say that Mechathun Warlock happened to be the most popular deck, you could ban that and only bring control decks. Obviously, if you happened to run into an all mechathun lineup you'd be pretty fucked, but that's something you account for in your research. The other strategy is to just bring the strognest decks available you are comfortable with and ban your opponent's strongest deck. Last format this would have most likely been hunter. It's also pretty common to see players ban a deck they have not seen just because they don't want to deal with it, but these weird decks don't often seen play at very high end tournaments. The ban system is also why tournament decks differ so much from ladder decks in terms of the card choices. Being able to elimiate a threat and know that your opponent is probably going to play certain cards allows you to tech your deck much more effectively. But if it's conquest rather than last hero standing, why the hell do I care about banning at all? How does banning a deck add any strategy beyond "you can't play the #1 best deck now, so you'll have to play the #4 best deck instead"? Because you dont always ban the best deck. Although, in a lot of cases this does happen. A lot of times there are 2 or 3 decks that you think are going to perform very well a tournament and you can ban one of those and have your decks made in ways that are bad against that one deck but have better matchups versus one of the remaining ones. For example, I believe last year I think Cubelock was the most popular ban, despite the general consensus that Raza Priest or Tempo Rogue being the best deck in the game due to how lineups and decks were constructed. --- Kokoro's Anime Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaIA0gY11FQ_Zh6kLSam5OA Updated: July 27th, 2016. <cite>KokoroAkechi posted [p:921143520] in Hearthston... [t:77608936]...</cite> <quote><cite>azuarc posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KokoroAkechi posted...</cite> <quote>The ban is really for lineup purposes. Since in a lot of pro events you know the bracket ahead of time and can do research on your opponents' usual decks and play styles you can tailor a lineup for your group stage. I'd assume most players are like "Make it out of groups and see what happens after that." because of the variance involved. You have to ban a deck. Iirc in the finals of HCT each player actually adds their final deck to their pool and you have the best of seven. The ban means you can construct lineups that are weak versus a popular deck. Like, let's say that Mechathun Warlock happened to be the most popular deck, you could ban that and only bring control decks. Obviously, if you happened to run into an all mechathun lineup you'd be pretty fucked, but that's something you account for in your research. The other strategy is to just bring the strognest decks available you are comfortable with and ban your opponent's strongest deck. Last format this would have most likely been hunter. It's also pretty common to see players ban a deck they have not seen just because they don't want to deal with it, but these weird decks don't often seen play at very high end tournaments. The ban system is also why tournament decks differ so much from ladder decks in terms of the card choices. Being able to elimiate a threat and know that your opponent is probably going to play certain cards allows you to tech your deck much more effectively.</quote> But if it's conquest rather than last hero standing, why the hell do I care about banning at all? How does banning a deck add any strategy beyond "you can't play the #1 best deck now, so you'll have to play the #4 best deck instead"?</quote> Because you dont always ban the best deck. Although, in a lot of cases this does happen. A lot of times there are 2 or 3 decks that you think are going to perform very well a tournament and you can ban one of those and have your decks made in ways that are bad against that one deck but have better matchups versus one of the remaining ones. For example, I believe last year I think Cubelock was the most popular ban, despite the general consensus that Raza Priest or Tempo Rogue being the best deck in the game due to how lineups and decks were constructed. --- Kokoro's Anime Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCaIA0gY11FQ_Zh6kLSam5OA Updated: July 27th, 2016.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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