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04/26/19 9:27:20 PM
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ParanoidObsessive posted...
If anything, thinking of comic stories in terms of beginning/middle/end is what gave us The Dark Knight Rises - and I'd rather it didn't.


Eh... I chalk DKR up to other factors. One is the loss of Heath Ledger, so they couldn't re-use the Joker as needed. Second was the need to over-stuff as many plot threads and nods as possible rather than telling a cohesive story to send off Nolan's Batman toward the rest of his career. Third was Nolan developing what I am now calling George Lucas Syndrome by the time the third film came along, and people just said "Yes Chris, that's great Chris, let's do it without question Chris."

ParanoidObsessive posted...
The fate of the MCU is to shuffle out old characters and shuffle in new. Maybe some characters will get recast. Maybe some will just "retire" and be thematically replaced (ie, Doctor Strange stops being the magic character, but you introduce Doctor Druid or Magik or Wiccan or Nico from the Runaways, etc to be "the magic character", Thor goes back to Asgard but we get Hercules instead, Scott Lang Ant-Man retires and we get Eric O'Grady Ant-Man or Rita DeMara's Yellowjacket, and so on ad infinitum). Eventually they'll likely wind up with nothing left to use but the throwaway characters no one cares about, and the franchise will sputter to a slow, whimpering death (at least until the eventual reboot starts the whole thing over again from scratch), but there may be any number of fantastic stories before then, and it's possible all of us now will be dead before they run out of ideas. There's a LOT of great comic stories for them to crib ideas from they still haven't used yet.

ParanoidObsessive posted...
We also know comic books, which have been telling sequential stories for 58 years (in Marvel's case), or 81 years (in DC's case - unless you count their various reboots as reset points, in which case they've only been telling bad stories for 8 years).


Therein lies a difference between mediums, for one thing. When it comes to movies and many shows or novels, people want their three acts so they can move on, because three acts is simple enough to recognize or replicate. With the MCU, we already got more than that with an exhaustive catalog of movies and shows, all with varying degrees of canon. Then, once you are done considering the simplicity that most people require, there is fatigue.

Star Wars of late is a great example of this, because the fatigue set in by the time "Solo" finally came out, and then people were too wary to truly appreciate the better half of Episode VIII.

I sometimes think the Rocky movies are another example to this. Before V came out, how tired were people of the Rocky movies, regardless of how good they managed to be? I stand by the idea that IV was good, on par with I or II, but V was not so good. V didn't need to happen, but it did. Then Balboa came along decades later, which was a different kind of good--that poor guy whose match was hijacked by Rocky cheering signs IRL--and then that led to Balboa II that no one I know even saw...

People get tired of a thing, no matter how the thing was designed, or how good or bad the thing was.

...We totally should have gotten a third Tron movie by now, though. It sucks that we didn't.
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