LogFAQs > #914507411

Still think it is funny how I supposedly changed what I have always said. But, can't expect people to make sense here when flinging their bullshit.

1. Our allies are not stabbed in the back. Unless we go to conventional war with Russia, Syria, and Turkey, there is no way there will ever be an end to the conflict.

Supporting a group a NATO ally considers a terrorist group while the threat we were supporting them for, ISIS, has been defeated is contradictory to use as betraying an ally. Which is more important? Betraying a NATO ally or a marginal group in Syria that has very little to offer outside of the common goal we have already accomplished with them?

2. We are allies with Turkey if that is who you are referring to. Have you been unaware of that for however many years Turkey has been in NATO? Or are you referring to Russia and Syria? We were never in a war with them. Nor have we ever established a goal of regime change in the area. If you want a war with Russia, Iran, and Syria, just outright say it.

Many Trump supporters, including myself, were against war with Russia over Syria and dinged Hillary over her no fly zone which would have led to it.

Once we established a red line and never carried out the threats regarding it to capitulate to getting an Iran deal done, our bluff was called there.

3. Again if you want a war with Russia just outright say it. Just because us leaving is a good thing for Russia does not mean it is not a good thing for us also. Being boxed into having to do whatever infuriates another nation is more being a puppet then doing what is right for yourself. ISIS has been defeated. We should leave. If Bashar commits genocide, we always can come back to topple that regime. We don't need to be there when our objectives are accomplished and when we were working with groups our allies consider terrorists.

Afghanistan we should have left already also. Our goal was to topple their government and take away their military projection.

We will never completely eradicate every member of ISIS and the Taliban unless we are okay with genocide. In which however many other groups will spring up.

The end game where we "win" according to you guys does not exist.

Will Taliban topple the Afghanistan government once we leave? Maybe. All we could do was topple them, destroy their military projection, and try to train the new group for how to protect themselves. At the end of the day, if the people of Afghanistan are unable or unwilling to defend their lands, we cannot do it for them indefinitely.
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