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TheRock1525 posted...

Heels can still show face-like qualities. It's why NXT works so well because heels aren't asked to wrestle slow-plodding styles with lots of rest holds, taunting and momentum killing maneuvers. They still use them, and they're still present, but they're not beyond flurries of offense and face style "comebacks."

Look at all the MotY candidates Gargano was as a face and one as a heel. There's a subtle shift to denote the change in alignment without throwing out the entire repertoire.

In the match I was talking about, my complaints had nothing to do with style. There were multiple times where Zayn was clearly done, struggling to get on his feet, but refusing to let himself get beat.

Repeatedly, Joe would shake his head remorsefully and get the ref to check on him while he retreated to the corner until, after like the fourth or fifth time, he finally just put him away.

Compare that to how he was before and after that match. A monster who would mercilessly go after his opponents in and out of the ring, beating the living hell out of them, oftentimes having to be forcefully pulled off when they'd had enough. He just liked to hurt people. Except in this one match, for whatever reason. They could've gone somewhere with that, but instead they decided, "nope, he's a heel, we gotta just go back to having him hurt people." And it was still entertaining, because Joe's awesome, but it could've been so much better. There could've been a match down the line where the two united for one night only against a common enemy because Zayn was one of the few who'd earned Joe's respect. But NOPE, CAN'T HAPPEN, ONE'S A FACE AND ONE'S A HEEL!

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NBIceman posted...

As an outsider, I have no idea what's actually going on with Becky or that segment, but the whole thing was caused apparently by semantics born out of the binary face/heel dynamic and the extent to which people even think it exists or has to exist.

To be a bit more clear, my argument wasn't that face/heel should or has to exist. My argument was moreso that WWE is very much keeping Becky in a place where they can easily tell fans "You shouldn't cheer her now" at any point and against any opponent, be it Asuka or Rousey or whatever, and thus I couldn't get on board with the thought of giving WWE the benefit of the doubt on stuff that's happening now because they're still going to try and tell fans what to think regardless of what they actually think, instead of just embracing the reactions.

And because of that, it kinda dampens my enjoyment of the product a bit, because I know that even though I like something now, next week I could get WWE going "Okay well now you have to boo her because X."

Right. I understand. MY argument is that the entire issue could be avoided, both in WWE and elsewhere, if nobody felt like they had to tell the fans anything in regards to who they should or shouldn't cheer for.

Like, we're on the same page in regards to "telling fans what they should think." Elimination of face/heel dynamic would also eliminate anyone feeling like they need to do that at all. It wouldn't fix every problem with WWE's storytelling, but it'd be a nice first step.
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