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Topic	Politics Containment Topic 209: Lord of the Lies
Umitencho 12/08/18 12:59:35 AM #303:	Cyrlous posted... Umitencho posted... red sox 777 posted... I still don't understand why it matters if they worked with Russia. Our politicians work with Israel, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom, etc. daily. We are not at war with Russia. Maybe the best ending to this is the Supreme Court finds that our laws against foreign collusion are unconstitutional for violating the 1st Amendment for freedom of association and freedom of speech. They already said money is speech, right? Colluding with Foreign Nations to manipulate the outcome of the American elections is illegal. We aren't talking about simple statements of giving a candidate vocal support, we are talking about hacking opposition communications, ect. As far as the money goes, the money is meant to come from American citizens, when you have a foreign nation pouring in lots of money into a candidate's election, there is a chance he isn't even thinking about the constituents who aligns with their views let alone the nation that they have to govern as a whole. If you are ok with another nation having a bigger voice in America's domestic policy than the citizenry, and ok with opposition candidates being hacked by foreign nations(sorry no amount of cash is gonna protect a candidate from state sponsored hacking from nations like Russia) then I have nothing to say. Also, you might want to research the Supreme Court a bit. As much as they have expanded the 1st Amendment, they have put limitations on it. Nelson_Mandela posted... LapisLazuli posted... I will correct you. I'm not even kidding. Please point me to anything implicating Russian collusion. I am only seeing the campaign finance stuff on Twitter. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/special-counsel-mueller-filing-russia-reached-trump-campaign-59689583 "Russia reached out to Trump" I guess we'd better prosecute Russia then. Seriously, your lack of reading comprehension is astounding. In a heavily redacted court document filed Friday afternoon, Mueller and his team of prosecutors accused Manafort of lying about his interactions with Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime business associate whom the special counsel has identified as a former Russian intelligence officer. https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/the-astonishing-tale-of-the-man-mueller-calls-person-a/562217/ Goes back further than that. Manafort has been compromised since 2005 & did more than just say hello with the Russian Spy. https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/3/29/17177948/konstantin-kilimnik-manafort-mueller-trump-russia-intelligence https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/could-an-ex-russian-operative-and-an-imprisoned-escort-crack-open-the-trump-russia-case/ Basically Manafort was the main vehicle that pushed Trump towards the Russians, and rather than fire his ass and report him to the FBI for basically being an Russian asset, the campaign embraced all the help it could get, legal or illegal. --- 3DS FC: 4399-0076-4217 <cite>Umitencho posted [p:913753167] in Politics C... [t:77254277]...</cite> <quote><cite>Cyrlous posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Umitencho posted...</cite> <quote><cite>red sox 777 posted...</cite> <quote>I still don't understand why it matters if they worked with Russia. Our politicians work with Israel, Saudi Arabia, the United Kingdom, etc. daily. We are not at war with Russia. Maybe the best ending to this is the Supreme Court finds that our laws against foreign collusion are unconstitutional for violating the 1st Amendment for freedom of association and freedom of speech. They already said money is speech, right?</quote> Colluding with Foreign Nations to manipulate the outcome of the American elections is illegal. We aren't talking about simple statements of giving a candidate vocal support, we are talking about hacking opposition communications, ect. As far as the money goes, the money is meant to come from American citizens, when you have a foreign nation pouring in lots of money into a candidate's election, there is a chance he isn't even thinking about the constituents who aligns with their views let alone the nation that they have to govern as a whole. If you are ok with another nation having a bigger voice in America's domestic policy than the citizenry, and ok with opposition candidates being hacked by foreign nations(sorry no amount of cash is gonna protect a candidate from state sponsored hacking from nations like Russia) then I have nothing to say. Also, you might want to research the Supreme Court a bit. As much as they have expanded the 1st Amendment, they have put limitations on it. <cite>Nelson_Mandela posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LapisLazuli posted...</cite> <quote>I will correct you.</quote> I'm not even kidding. Please point me to anything implicating Russian collusion. I am only seeing the campaign finance stuff on Twitter.</quote> https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/special-counsel-mueller-filing-russia-reached-trump-campaign-59689583</quote> "Russia reached out to Trump" I guess we'd better prosecute Russia then. Seriously, your lack of reading comprehension is astounding.</quote> <quote>In a heavily redacted court document filed Friday afternoon, Mueller and his team of prosecutors accused Manafort of lying about his interactions with Konstantin Kilimnik, a longtime business associate whom the special counsel has identified as a former Russian intelligence officer. </quote> https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/the-astonishing-tale-of-the-man-mueller-calls-person-a/562217/ Goes back further than that. Manafort has been compromised since 2005 & did more than just say hello with the Russian Spy. https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/3/29/17177948/konstantin-kilimnik-manafort-mueller-trump-russia-intelligence https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/03/could-an-ex-russian-operative-and-an-imprisoned-escort-crack-open-the-trump-russia-case/ Basically Manafort was the main vehicle that pushed Trump towards the Russians, and rather than fire his ass and report him to the FBI for basically being an Russian asset, the campaign embraced all the help it could get, legal or illegal. --- 3DS FC: 4399-0076-4217</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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