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Topic	Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 1316
creativename 12/04/18 9:00:42 PM #181:	Lopen posted... creativename posted... I honestly thought this result would bury this Mario/Samus stuff forever. Why would it? The absurdity of Mario/Samus being close in 04 was based on an entirely different voting ecosystem. 04 was a year where Link blasted Ganon down to 12%. SFF having less effects this year is not weird. For any amount of strength difference you could call for in Mario/Samus you could also say Mario's less likely to SFF her super hard this year too. If anything this year proves without a shadow of a doubt (through Seph/Tifa or Mario/Samus) that rSFF exists, which throws out the primary defense of Mario beating Samus which was "Mario would not have been able to SFF her if he was weaker" The only one who it shuts down was Ulti with his "Samus could never have beaten Mario ever" nonsense. Entirely different voting ecosystem You said it. Not me. Site shift. Different voting ecosystem. You want to act all knowing about what a different ecosystem would have resulted in, in 2K4, with different relative character strengths and before a site shift, and I just cant give this credibility. Lets be clear. Are you saying that Mario getting 60% on Samus in 2K4 is possible? Because i want to be clear on what we are disagreeing on. As Ive said, my claims are that Mario would get no more than 55% on Samus in 2K4, and it is not a 100% lock that he wins. Are you claiming he pushes 60% in 2K4, and its a 100% lock he wins? Lopen posted... creativename posted... Theyre on the same boat. No. Theyre not. Mario team was on roids that year, Also you're the only one I've seen in this topic try to limit the Nintendo boost to Mario. Makes no sense that it would just be Mario. Results don't support it either. Even if you try and exempt Samus at minimum Ganondorf looks monstrous in 05 compared to 04, as does Kirby. And there are other historically Nintendo linked guys like Sonic who also look better in 05. I have literally never seen anyone try and claim Samus boosted from 2K4 to 2K5 other than you. People did believe in a Nintendo boost, but it was always talked about especially for Team Mario, and Mario himself. It was always Mario is on r01dszz!! Mario was on the warpath against everybody not-Clinkeroth that year. I have already analyzed your claims of Samus boosting, I do not recall what I said, and I really dont care to bother with that again. It is pointless. <cite>creativename posted [p:913555807] in Contest St... [t:77267563]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativename posted...</cite> <quote>I honestly thought this result would bury this Mario/Samus stuff forever.</quote> Why would it? The absurdity of Mario/Samus being close in 04 was based on an entirely different voting ecosystem. 04 was a year where Link blasted Ganon down to 12%. SFF having less effects this year is not weird. For any amount of strength difference you could call for in Mario/Samus you could also say Mario's less likely to SFF her super hard this year too. If anything this year proves without a shadow of a doubt (through Seph/Tifa or Mario/Samus) that rSFF exists, which throws out the primary defense of Mario beating Samus which was "Mario would not have been able to SFF her if he was weaker" The only one who it shuts down was Ulti with his "Samus could never have beaten Mario ever" nonsense.</quote> Entirely different voting ecosystem You said it. Not me. Site shift. Different voting ecosystem. You want to act all knowing about what a different ecosystem would have resulted in, in 2K4, with different relative character strengths and before a site shift, and I just cant give this credibility. Lets be clear. Are you saying that Mario getting 60% on Samus in 2K4 is possible? Because i want to be clear on what we are disagreeing on. As Ive said, my claims are that Mario would get no more than 55% on Samus in 2K4, and it is not a 100% lock that he wins. Are you claiming he pushes 60% in 2K4, and its a 100% lock he wins? <cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote><cite>creativename posted...</cite> <quote>Theyre on the same boat. No. Theyre not. Mario team was on roids that year,</quote> Also you're the only one I've seen in this topic try to limit the Nintendo boost to Mario. Makes no sense that it would just be Mario. Results don't support it either. Even if you try and exempt Samus at minimum Ganondorf looks monstrous in 05 compared to 04, as does Kirby. And there are other historically Nintendo linked guys like Sonic who also look better in 05.</quote> I have literally never seen anyone try and claim Samus boosted from 2K4 to 2K5 other than you. People did believe in a Nintendo boost, but it was always talked about especially for Team Mario, and Mario himself. It was always Mario is on r01dszz!! Mario was on the warpath against everybody not-Clinkeroth that year. I have already analyzed your claims of Samus boosting, I do not recall what I said, and I really dont care to bother with that again. It is pointless.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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