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Topic	I don't understand why people didn't like The Last Jedi.
Unbridled9 12/04/18 3:29:16 AM #61:	darkknight109 posted... Unbridled9 posted... Well yes. And that's exactly why Holdo's maneuver is so damned stupid. Because it shouldn't have worked since she wasn't going 'fast' but entering into hyperspace. It's a maneuver that would only work if she WAS going fast. But if she was going fast (as opposed to entering a different dimension) then there's no reason that they shouldn't be building hyper-space missiles. So she was either going fast (at which point the entire combat philosophy of Star Wars falls into question) or she shouldn't have done the type of damage she did on the scale she did. I already addressed this. ANH tells us that objects in hyperspace still interact with the real world, so clearly they're not completely separated from realspace. TLJ just shows us what happens when a ship that is already in or is in the process of entering hyperspace does when it meets another object still in realspace. Simple economics explains the rest and why this isn't a widely used tactic. But that doesn't solve the problem. It just moves it. There's still no reason why they couldn't design a ship specifically to destroy enemy ships while in hyperspace and have it auto-piloted. Nevermind how Holdo KNEW she'd get any sort of reaction as opposed to either jumping right past them or diddly (since her plan revolved around the jump at least being able to hit for more than 'ramming speed'). If you ask me it would make perfect sense if we assumed hyperspace allows for ships to travel but is so delicate that even being near a star can throw it off and doesn't make the ship actually move 'fast' so much as serve as a short-cut. That way ramming a ship from hyperspace into normal space would be as effective as ramming a ship in normal space. Would remove the issue of hyperspace weaponry entirely. Course, it still doesn't explain one bit about how the hell Holdo's plan worked or why an X-wing couldn't make the jump and just blow up a Star Destroyer in an identical fashion. And... Ultimately... This is YOU trying to explain and justify the plot and details. You are not Ryan Johnson. You are not the plot. You are looking for ways to fill in something in the plot that doesn't make sense with something that does. You're writing the script for him. So no, it doesn't excuse his laziness and ineptitude or make the moment any better even if it is, somehow, both realitistic and faithful. Because in order for it to become either of those things you had to go out and write massive bits of script and science to make it work. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your **! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:913512551] in I don't un... [t:77263318]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>Well yes. And that's exactly why Holdo's maneuver is so damned stupid. Because it shouldn't have worked since she wasn't going 'fast' but entering into hyperspace. It's a maneuver that would only work if she WAS going fast. But if she was going fast (as opposed to entering a different dimension) then there's no reason that they shouldn't be building hyper-space missiles. So she was either going fast (at which point the entire combat philosophy of Star Wars falls into question) or she shouldn't have done the type of damage she did on the scale she did. </quote> I already addressed this. ANH tells us that objects in hyperspace still interact with the real world, so clearly they're not completely* separated from realspace. TLJ just shows us what happens when a ship that is already in or is in the process of entering hyperspace does when it meets another object still in realspace. Simple economics explains the rest and why this isn't a widely used tactic.</quote> But that doesn't solve the problem. It just moves it. There's still no reason why they couldn't design a ship specifically to destroy enemy ships while in hyperspace and have it auto-piloted. Nevermind how Holdo KNEW she'd get any sort of reaction as opposed to either jumping right past them or diddly (since her plan revolved around the jump at least being able to hit for more than 'ramming speed'). If you ask me it would make perfect sense if we assumed hyperspace allows for ships to travel but is so delicate that even being near a star can throw it off and doesn't make the ship actually move 'fast' so much as serve as a short-cut. That way ramming a ship from hyperspace into normal space would be as effective as ramming a ship in normal space. Would remove the issue of hyperspace weaponry entirely. Course, it still doesn't explain one bit about how the hell Holdo's plan worked or why an X-wing couldn't make the jump and just blow up a Star Destroyer in an identical fashion. And... Ultimately... This is YOU trying to explain and justify the plot and details. You are not Ryan Johnson. You are not the plot. You are looking for ways to fill in something in the plot that doesn't make sense with something that does. You're writing the script for him. So no, it doesn't excuse his laziness and ineptitude or make the moment any better even if it is, somehow, both realitistic and faithful. Because in order for it to become either of those things you had to go out and write massive bits of script and science to make it work. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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