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v_charon posted...

scarletspeed7 posted...

This is almost an argument to tank this movie lower if nothing was essential.

I argued earlier that the scene between Kyle and Sarah was essential; it's a major plot point in the Terminator universe. It's just as essential as any other part of this film, and I'm not some huge prude that can't handle a little intimacy on the screen.

No, I was agreeing with you. The means to an end which is, "you don't need the movie at all, I have wikipedia."

WickIebee posted...

The thing is, the reason I'm so vehemently arguing about it is because I don't see its value to the story. I already SAW the passion that had value to the story with the circumstances before the softcore porn. And I'm arguing that the softcore porn adds nothing to the value of the already passionate scene. Is THAT fair?

I actually am going to say no. Because I feel like I just laid out why that scene is not only a reason why its integral to the movie but also to the entire series, and you hadn't seen that passion. There was a caregiver level of relationship, a sort of Disneyesque almost-but-not-quite romance. This also isn't softcore pornography. It really isn't. There is a difference artistically, there is a difference thematically, and this scene isn't about sex. I would argue that being focused on sex for the sake of sex is being short-sighted. This is the consummation of both the entire series and the story of John Conner. I think that there is also this idea that the fight against purely calculated robot computation is combated with this good, healthy, loving moment. A moment that is untainted in the rest of the series. Kyle Reese and Sarah Conner are an example of one of the times where sex is completely necessary to a movie. And we're not talking about a particularly long scene or anything. Again, what I bump on is your use of the term softcore pornography.

My dad called West Wing a soap opera when I was in high school, and I always fought him on that because the term is a demeaning term representative of quality. Porn is a demeaning term, especially when you volley it. And this is the opposite kind of sex than what you get in porn. I really hesitate to say this because I think you will shut down what else I said, but you have to find a certain level of maturity where you can find the nuance in something. Because clearly you allow it with gratuitous violence sometimes and with language at other times, but it's never really about the content or character of the film and more of just a quantified, almost robotic, cold measurement.

And that's just my perspective on it, and I'm not saying your opinion on the list holds more or less weight than anyone else. I doubt anyone reads or cares about my write-ups even if they do. I don't think I'm an authority on this or anything.
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