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Topic	Longsword vs Katana
Babbit55 02/13/18 2:32:50 PM #41:	darkknight109 posted... Disagree. My own personal experience along with consensus from some of the other sword-nuts I hang around with is that the katana is noticeably faster for slashing. Admittedly the longsword tends to have an advantage on thrusts, although the technique behind thrusting with a longsword and performing an equivalent tsuki with a katana is different. No offence here, have you trained with a longsword at all? They are swung in very different ways, the Longsword uses its momentum more in the swing, at least more than a Katana does, swinging them the same way, a katana will feel faster, that swung properly, the longsword is faster. But yes, they are used in very dfferent ways, even if they are often compared (I would say a more acurate sword to compare would be a Falchion personaly) darkknight109 posted... Strange, because we talk about that in iai all the time and it absolutely is a real thing. It's not really a matter of "wanted" or "not wanted", it's just a reality of the sword. Ever held a shinken (live blade)? When you place it against another blade (not cross-wise, but parallel, the same way you would hold it if you were fighting someone), they really do bite into one another; two sharp katana simply don't slide against one another the way most European swords do. It almost feels like the blade is slightly magnetic (the actual reason has to do with the sharpness and the angle of the cutting edge, but the sensation is similar). I have, not used them in a fight (obviously!), though every bit of defence I have been taught about Katana work as been deflection and avoidence because the blades clashing is not a good thing (not that the edged parts of long swords are either to be fair!) darkknight109 posted... Ever tried to hit someone on a joint with a big heavy weapon? It typically doesn't go well. Joints are attached to limbs, which are the most mobile parts of your body (AKA the hardest things to hit, particularly with any accuracy). If you're going to go for a hit with the heavy end of the weapon, aim for the centre of mass - if you hit them hard enough, you stand a decent chance of killing them (armour or no) and even if you don't, you can knock them off balance. They are not as heavy as you might think, they are pretty top heavy though! Saying that, it is easier to smash a leg with a vague hammer blow than a precice pierce with the point, specially while the other person does not what that to happen! Fightning in armour is a funny thing, you kind of ignore blows that you know would not be too threatening, like ignoring a leg swing in favour of slapping your mate across the head! (I have been hit with a "combat safe" flail, it hurt like hell though armour!!! (Cricket ball on a chain) darkknight109 posted... Sure it could. Youtube is loaded with videos of people shooting holes in plate mail. Here's the first one I came up with: No disagreements on arrows here, as I said, ask the French (agincourt was won by the bow) --- GT:- Babbit55 PC - i5 4670k, 16g ram, RX 480, 2tb hybrid drive. <cite>Babbit55 posted [p:896013166] in Longsword ... [t:76314402]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Disagree. My own personal experience along with consensus from some of the other sword-nuts I hang around with is that the katana is noticeably faster for slashing. Admittedly the longsword tends to have an advantage on thrusts, although the technique behind thrusting with a longsword and performing an equivalent tsuki with a katana is different.</quote> No offence here, have you trained with a longsword at all? They are swung in very different ways, the Longsword uses its momentum more in the swing, at least more than a Katana does, swinging them the same way, a katana will feel faster, that swung properly, the longsword is faster. But yes, they are used in very dfferent ways, even if they are often compared (I would say a more acurate sword to compare would be a Falchion personaly) <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Strange, because we talk about that in iai all the time and it absolutely is a real thing. It's not really a matter of "wanted" or "not wanted", it's just a reality of the sword. Ever held a shinken (live blade)? When you place it against another blade (not cross-wise, but parallel, the same way you would hold it if you were fighting someone), they really do bite into one another; two sharp katana simply don't slide against one another the way most European swords do. It almost feels like the blade is slightly magnetic (the actual reason has to do with the sharpness and the angle of the cutting edge, but the sensation is similar).</quote> I have, not used them in a fight (obviously!), though every bit of defence I have been taught about Katana work as been deflection and avoidence because the blades clashing is not a good thing (not that the edged parts of long swords are either to be fair!) <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Ever tried to hit someone on a joint with a big heavy weapon? It typically doesn't go well. Joints are attached to limbs, which are the most mobile parts of your body (AKA the hardest things to hit, particularly with any accuracy). If you're going to go for a hit with the heavy end of the weapon, aim for the centre of mass - if you hit them hard enough, you stand a decent chance of killing them (armour or no) and even if you don't, you can knock them off balance.</quote> They are not as heavy as you might think, they are pretty top heavy though! Saying that, it is easier to smash a leg with a vague hammer blow than a precice pierce with the point, specially while the other person does not what that to happen! Fightning in armour is a funny thing, you kind of ignore blows that you know would not be too threatening, like ignoring a leg swing in favour of slapping your mate across the head! (I have been hit with a "combat safe" flail, it hurt like hell though armour!!! (Cricket ball on a chain) <cite>darkknight109 posted...</cite> <quote>Sure it could. Youtube is loaded with videos of people shooting holes in plate mail. Here's the first one I came up with:</quote> No disagreements on arrows here, as I said, ask the French (agincourt was won by the bow) --- GT:- Babbit55 PC - i5 4670k, 16g ram, RX 480, 2tb hybrid drive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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