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Topic	Longsword vs Katana
Babbit55 02/13/18 11:13:04 AM #20:	Kyuubi4269 posted... Curved goes better with a natural swing but the curve doesn't make it cut better. https://www.keithfarrell.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/The-Shape-of-Sword-Blades.pdf We may say that the effect of the curve in this Indian tulwar, as compared with a straight blade, is, that it cuts as though it were four times as broad and only one-fourth the thickness. I have selected the tulwar as an illustration, because we have all heard of the extraordinary effects produced by the natives of India in cutting with this weapon. Men inferior in stature and bodily strength to our own countrymen can use this weapon so as to produce effects which strike us with astonishment:heads taken offboth hands severed at the wristarm and shoulder cut throughlegs taken off at one blow. Such are the sword-cuts of [414] which our soldiers had too fearful experience during the Sikh war and later campaigns in India Curved is better at cutting. Period. Kyuubi4269 posted... A rapier is a dueling weapon and, like the katana, is for unarmoured opponents. Weight is a major component of penetration, it help maintain momentum which means better travel through plate. You like European weaponry so you must remember the not at all flimsy lance over the common spear. The katana was a battlefield weapon as much as the longsword, also the Lance and spear were designed very differently yet both for lunging attacks, the Lance however should not be confused with a much wider and broader, jousting lance, this was not designed to kill!. A lance used in combat looked much more like a spear or pike, than a jousting lance that you seeming think was used on the battlefield. Kyuubi4269 posted... Folding doesn't make steel more prone to denting. Remember this, European swords were made with two edges because they got blunt in combat, the steel was insufficient to maintain an edge long. No the folding made it very thin and sharp, it also meant it was very prone to chipping and nicking while being used and blunted much faster than a broader edge. Kyuubi4269 posted... No, some longswords weren't sharpened near the hilt for handling, more specifically for a lunge holding it like a spear. The Zweihander, a greatsword, was made with a blunt section after the guard specifically for handling like a spear because its length and weight lent itself to this purpose. I literally say about half blading (made for a much better lunge as i said!) the side effect was that you could get that flat edge in the way of a blade and A - Have more control of the opposing blade as you have the leverage and B - prevent the blade getting nicked and chipped from contact. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t4ojjzJJZ4 Not the most accurate or scientific video, but see the differences from a modern day, forged katana, and an edged hunk of steel! --- GT:- Babbit55 PC - i5 4670k, 16g ram, RX 480, 2tb hybrid drive. <cite>Babbit55 posted [p:896001561] in Longsword ... [t:76314402]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Curved goes better with a natural swing but the curve doesn't make it cut better.</quote> https://www.keithfarrell.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/The-Shape-of-Sword-Blades.pdf <quote>We may say that the effect of the curve in this Indian tulwar, as compared with a straight blade, is, that it cuts as though it were four times as broad and only one-fourth the thickness. I have selected the tulwar as an illustration, because we have all heard of the extraordinary effects produced by the natives of India in cutting with this weapon. Men inferior in stature and bodily strength to our own countrymen can use this weapon so as to produce effects which strike us with astonishment:heads taken offboth hands severed at the wristarm and shoulder cut throughlegs taken off at one blow. Such are the sword-cuts of [414] which our soldiers had too fearful experience during the Sikh war and later campaigns in India</quote> Curved is better at cutting. Period. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>A rapier is a dueling weapon and, like the katana, is for unarmoured opponents. Weight is a major component of penetration, it help maintain momentum which means better travel through plate. You like European weaponry so you must remember the not at all flimsy lance over the common spear.</quote> The katana was a battlefield weapon as much as the longsword, also the Lance and spear were designed very differently yet both for lunging attacks, the Lance however should not be confused with a much wider and broader, jousting lance, this was not designed to kill!. A lance used in combat looked much more like a spear or pike, than a jousting lance that you seeming think was used on the battlefield. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>Folding doesn't make steel more prone to denting. Remember this, European swords were made with two edges because they got blunt in combat, the steel was insufficient to maintain an edge long. </quote> No the folding made it very thin and sharp, it also meant it was very prone to chipping and nicking while being used and blunted much faster than a broader edge. <cite>Kyuubi4269 posted...</cite> <quote>No, some longswords weren't sharpened near the hilt for handling, more specifically for a lunge holding it like a spear. The Zweihander, a greatsword, was made with a blunt section after the guard specifically for handling like a spear because its length and weight lent itself to this purpose.</quote> I literally say about half blading (made for a much better lunge as i said!) the side effect was that you could get that flat edge in the way of a blade and A - Have more control of the opposing blade as you have the leverage and B - prevent the blade getting nicked and chipped from contact. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t4ojjzJJZ4 Not the most accurate or scientific video, but see the differences from a modern day, forged katana, and an edged hunk of steel! --- GT:- Babbit55 PC - i5 4670k, 16g ram, RX 480, 2tb hybrid drive.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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