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Topic	16 of Trump's Accusers Demand Congressional Investigation
darkknight109 12/14/17 2:00:55 AM #61:	Smarkil posted... To your other point, the man is a public figure. A lot of people have met him. Not good enough. Why do you think Trump was accused of sexual assault, but the last two presidents (notably being one from each party) made it through their terms without any such allegation being levelled at them? Why do the majority of famous people - from athletes to actors to musicians - go through their entire careers without facing any allegations of serious sexual misconduct, while the ones that do get accused are often found to be guilty as fuck? Answer: Because it's rare for an accuser to lie. Yes, even about a famous person. Saying "Well, he's famous and a lot of people hate him, so OF COURSE people are going to accuse him" is simply factually wrong. I can prattle off a long list of people just as famous and unpopular as Trump who never had any sex crime allegations made against them. Smarkil posted... And what should that response be? What do you want Trump or his administration to do? Do we need to send a team of FBI agents to respond to all of these allegations? The burden here should be upon the lawyers of the women they represent. Let them find evidence and submit it to a court. Why the hell would the burden of investigating a crime and collecting evidence be placed on the victim? If you get robbed, do you expect to phone the cops and have them say "Sorry, we don't believe you. Go gather up the evidence for us, then we'll talk." As to what the response should be, an investigation would be prudent at this stage. Again, these allegations are credible enough to move on to that stage. Smarkil posted... Nearly 1 in 10-20 is way too fucking high of a number, and I suspect that number goes up considerably when you have money/are famous. As Foxx already mentioned, that's lower than for other serious crimes. But to the main thrust of your point, why would it go up when the accused is famous? Think about this: for every woman that accuses Trump (or any other famous person) of sex crimes, those articles will come up when someone googles their name. That's going to affect everything from employment chances to promotion opportunities to simply being able to live their lives without a digital horde trying to conduct a social media lynching. Moreover, people with money can also spend that money on lawyers and litigation. Trump is particularly notorious for using his financial power to bury potential opponents in legal bills, ultimately muscling them out of the courtroom if they don't have the finances to match. That doesn't sound like a recipe for success to me. Smarkil posted... Call me crazy, but I'm one of those weirdos that would rather let a bunch of guilty men go free than one innocent man go to prison. Again, you're at the wrong step. No one is talking about putting Trump in prison. Not yet, anyways. The only thing on the table right now is an investigation - that's it. If the investigation doesn't turn up enough evidence for charges, it ends there (at least as far as criminal proceedings go). TheWorstPoster posted... More like she wants it to be Accusation -> ??? -> jail Nice strawman you have there. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror! <cite>darkknight109 posted [p:892186278] in 16 of Trum... [t:76087027]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote>To your other point, the man is a public figure. A lot of people have met him.</quote> Not good enough. Why do you think Trump was accused of sexual assault, but the last two presidents (notably being one from each party) made it through their terms without any such allegation being levelled at them? Why do the majority of famous people - from athletes to actors to musicians - go through their entire careers without facing any allegations of serious sexual misconduct, while the ones that do get accused are often found to be guilty as fuck? Answer: Because it's rare for an accuser to lie. Yes, even about a famous person. Saying "Well, he's famous and a lot of people hate him, so OF COURSE people are going to accuse him" is simply factually wrong. I can prattle off a long list of people just as famous and unpopular as Trump who never had any sex crime allegations made against them. <cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote>And what should that response be? What do you want Trump or his administration to do? Do we need to send a team of FBI agents to respond to all of these allegations? The burden here should be upon the lawyers of the women they represent. Let them find evidence and submit it to a court. </quote> Why the hell would the burden of investigating a crime and collecting evidence be placed on the victim? If you get robbed, do you expect to phone the cops and have them say "Sorry, we don't believe you. Go gather up the evidence for us, then we'll talk." As to what the response should be, an investigation would be prudent at this stage. Again, these allegations are credible enough to move on to that stage. <cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote>Nearly 1 in 10-20 is way too fucking high of a number, and I suspect that number goes up considerably when you have money/are famous. </quote> As Foxx already mentioned, that's lower than for other serious crimes. But to the main thrust of your point, why would it go up when the accused is famous? Think about this: for every woman that accuses Trump (or any other famous person) of sex crimes, those articles will come up when someone googles their name. That's going to affect everything from employment chances to promotion opportunities to simply being able to live their lives without a digital horde trying to conduct a social media lynching. Moreover, people with money can also spend that money on lawyers and litigation. Trump is particularly notorious for using his financial power to bury potential opponents in legal bills, ultimately muscling them out of the courtroom if they don't have the finances to match. That doesn't sound like a recipe for success to me. <cite>Smarkil posted...</cite> <quote>Call me crazy, but I'm one of those weirdos that would rather let a bunch of guilty men go free than one innocent man go to prison.</quote> Again, you're at the wrong step. No one is talking about putting Trump in prison. Not yet, anyways. The only thing on the table right now is an investigation - that's it. If the investigation doesn't turn up enough evidence for charges, it ends there (at least as far as criminal proceedings go). <cite>TheWorstPoster posted...</cite> <quote>More like she wants it to be Accusation -> ??? -> jail</quote> Nice strawman you have there. --- Kill 1 man: You are a murderer. Kill 10 men: You are a monster. Kill 100 men: You are a hero. Kill 10,000 men, you are a conqueror!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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