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Topic	Rate the Character Day 3: Darth Vader
Panthera 09/14/17 3:01:03 PM #46:	Lopen posted... It's a way to criticize the scene that makes you come across as a buffoon who didn't pay attention to the movies. It'd been hinted at for quite some time, over a movie's length in fact, that Vader appeared a heartless bastard but that maybe he wasn't completely lost. Like the key here is that what Star Wars is feeding you is that being light side vs dark side is all about mentality and not so much about the sum of all good you've done vs all bad you've done. Once the guy is showing that he wishes to repent or whatever, it doesn't matter, to the force, that he'd previously blown up a planet's worth of people. Dude my entire problem is literally that that light/dark mindset thing not accounting for actions is idiotic and makes Vader's character really lame to me because he's the symbol of how much I hate it, because in my mind a guy who has done so many evil things cannot be taken seriously as a candidate for redemption. I know what the intended story is, I just think it sucks and doesn't add up because the way the character is presented reads as "evil jackass who only does things for his own benefit" to me regardless of how much Lucas wants it to seem otherwise. Like have you really never heard of someone criticizing a story by saying it didn't come across as intended? LeonhartFour posted... I mean if his goal was to stay alive he did a pretty poor job if Palpatine kills Luke there, Vader gets to stay alive longer Uh Palpatine was literally trying to manipulate Luke into killing him. What ambiguity there could be is cleared up if you include the prequels, which show that Anakin knows full well the implications - he himself was in this exact situation when he killed Dooku! He knows this is the sign Palpatine wants him gone, and clearly our beloved Emperor isn't going to let a crippled wreck who is of no further use to him and has ample reason to not be loyal live. Luke was willing to at least entertain not killing Vader, Palpatine very clearly wants Vader dead. It's pretty obvious who Vader should be rooting for <_< --- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny <cite>Panthera posted [p:886598704] in Rate the C... [t:75772179]...</cite> <quote><cite>Lopen posted...</cite> <quote> It's a way to criticize the scene that makes you come across as a buffoon who didn't pay attention to the movies. It'd been hinted at for quite some time, over a movie's length in fact, that Vader appeared a heartless bastard but that maybe he wasn't completely lost. Like the key here is that what Star Wars is feeding you is that being light side vs dark side is all about mentality and not so much about the sum of all good you've done vs all bad you've done. Once the guy is showing that he wishes to repent or whatever, it doesn't matter, to the force, that he'd previously blown up a planet's worth of people. </quote> Dude my entire problem is literally that that light/dark mindset thing not accounting for actions is idiotic and makes Vader's character really lame to me because he's the symbol of how much I hate it, because in my mind a guy who has done so many evil things cannot be taken seriously as a candidate for redemption. I know what the intended story is, I just think it sucks and doesn't add up because the way the character is presented reads as "evil jackass who only does things for his own benefit" to me regardless of how much Lucas wants it to seem otherwise. Like have you really never heard of someone criticizing a story by saying it didn't come across as intended? <cite>LeonhartFour posted...</cite> <quote> I mean if his goal was to stay alive he did a pretty poor job if Palpatine kills Luke there, Vader gets to stay alive longer</quote> Uh Palpatine was literally trying to manipulate Luke into killing him. What ambiguity there could be is cleared up if you include the prequels, which show that Anakin knows full well the implications - he himself was in this exact situation when he killed Dooku! He knows this is the sign Palpatine wants him gone, and clearly our beloved Emperor isn't going to let a crippled wreck who is of no further use to him and has ample reason to not be loyal live. Luke was willing to at least entertain not killing Vader, Palpatine very clearly wants Vader dead. It's pretty obvious who Vader should be rooting for <_< --- We clasped our hands, our hands in praise of a conquerors right to tyranny</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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