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Topic	Are you accepting and supportive of transgender people?
HippopotamusRex 09/05/17 1:47:25 AM #196:	gunplagirl posted... HippopotamusRex posted... Dragonblade01 posted... Tmk posted... I'm trying to think of a way to interrupt that, that doesn't reflect horribly on you. I mean, there's some truth in what he's saying about the brain and body. Rather, the brain is the body. It's just as capable of doing something "wrong" as any other part of the body. It's just that the brain is complicated, controls a lot of things, and creates through its processes the being that we call "us," so it's easy for us to consider it distinct it from the "body" in our minds (funnily enough, maybe it's a bit of narcissism on our parts, lol). Yes. This is why I explained find the answer to this topic for society is a fool's errand. We'll never understand the location of consciousness, and there IS a cost, which is increasingly logical inconsistencies with how we share understanding of the objective world. People are already losing track of the brain being a body part and accidentally substituting the brain for the mind/body distinction (when the brain is a body part). This idea of forcing pronouns that aren't agreed upon on society (sometimes by force) is that problem extrapolated further. It's not about a lack of empathy, it's about a degradation of the shared fabric of how we define words when people who don't want to play along are forced to play along. "Forced" What gives you the right to force your ideas upon trans people when you refuse to even grant any merit to the possibility they're genuinely of the gender they state they are? The only one forcing anything on others is people like you who think the right to be jerks is more important than granting some dignity to others. Because it's a malformed question. There's no way to prove consciousness is gendered. You're building up to a conclusion that can never be proven. Every physical extension of consciousness is in body. And body is xx or xy so no matter how you feel any representation of those feelings is manifested biologically. Hence the chicken and the egg problem of mind and body. I'm dealing with a lack of a null set too. For people who define things based off biological data, you are essentially forcing them to scrap a body of data that is useful, and common across multiple people for your individual feelings. You don't have to agree. I'm not forcing you to agree, but the deal is you can't force anyone to agree either. And when coercion comes in the form of modding on this site, political agendas, firings, or even state legislation, THAT is when there is an issue. I'm not sure what you mean by force, but that's what I mean by force. And really, you aren't doing yourself any favors. If you behave this way in general, people will remove themselves for your presence in the future so they don't risk any of those many very real definitions of force I've listed above that come with being made to redefine terms. You're going to put yourself into a lonely, isolated desert by continuing to behave that way. The best you can hope for is to part at the 'agree to disagree' mark with those who don't want to play along. --- The Retro Hippo of the Retro Achievements http://retroachievements.org/User/HippopotamusRex <cite>HippopotamusRex posted [p:886044958] in Are you ac... [t:75740046]...</cite> <quote><cite>gunplagirl posted...</cite> <quote><cite>HippopotamusRex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmk posted...</cite> <quote>I'm trying to think of a way to interrupt that, that doesn't reflect horribly on you.</quote> I mean, there's some truth in what he's saying about the brain and body. Rather, the brain is the body. It's just as capable of doing something "wrong" as any other part of the body. It's just that the brain is complicated, controls a lot of things, and creates through its processes the being that we call "us," so it's easy for us to consider it distinct it from the "body" in our minds (funnily enough, maybe it's a bit of narcissism on our parts, lol).</quote> Yes. This is why I explained find the answer to this topic for society is a fool's errand. We'll never understand the location of consciousness, and there IS a cost, which is increasingly logical inconsistencies with how we share understanding of the objective world. People are already losing track of the brain being a body part and accidentally substituting the brain for the mind/body distinction (when the brain is a body part). This idea of forcing pronouns that aren't agreed upon on society (sometimes by force) is that problem extrapolated further. It's not about a lack of empathy, it's about a degradation of the shared fabric of how we define words when people who don't want to play along are forced to play along.</quote> "Forced" What gives you the right to force your ideas upon trans people when you refuse to even grant any merit to the possibility they're genuinely of the gender they state they are? The only one forcing anything on others is people like you who think the right to be jerks is more important than granting some dignity to others.</quote> Because it's a malformed question. There's no way to prove consciousness is gendered. You're building up to a conclusion that can never be proven. Every physical extension of consciousness is in body. And body is xx or xy so no matter how you feel any representation of those feelings is manifested biologically. Hence the chicken and the egg problem of mind and body. I'm dealing with a lack of a null set too. For people who define things based off biological data, you are essentially forcing them to scrap a body of data that is useful, and common across multiple people for your individual feelings. You don't have to agree. I'm not forcing you to agree, but the deal is you can't force anyone to agree either. And when coercion comes in the form of modding on this site, political agendas, firings, or even state legislation, THAT is when there is an issue. I'm not sure what you mean by force, but that's what I mean by force. And really, you aren't doing yourself any favors. If you behave this way in general, people will remove themselves for your presence in the future so they don't risk any of those many very real definitions of force I've listed above that come with being made to redefine terms. You're going to put yourself into a lonely, isolated desert by continuing to behave that way. The best you can hope for is to part at the 'agree to disagree' mark with those who don't want to play along. --- The Retro Hippo of the Retro Achievements http://retroachievements.org/User/HippopotamusRex</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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