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Topic	Are you accepting and supportive of transgender people?
Esrac 09/05/17 1:22:47 AM #186:	Tmk posted... Esrac posted... It is a valid comparison when your initial argument seemed to be "We are our brain, not our body. If the brain says the body should be X, then we should help them alter their body to be X." The point is, in a dispute between the body and the mind, why do you side with the body? Why do you consider that defining of who someone is? If you want to go this route why not bring up suicide? Is that not the ultimate destruction of the body, perpetrated by the mind? Do you not understand the difference between these things? Are you just that stuck on seeing a transgender person transitioning as "mutilating" their body? Because the alternative...is brainwashing. How is that not mutilating the mind? Right back at the beginning: mind, vs. body. If you come into this viewing transitioning as mutilation or destruction, then you're drinking poison then blaming me for a tummyache. It's a change, not a destruction. I don't distinguish between the mind and the body because the mind is part of the body. It is contained, entirely, in the physicaly apparatus that is the brain. Everything you are as a person is confined to your physical brain, and that brain can malfunction. As I said, you see to be setting up this false dichotomy between mind and body, when the mind doesn't exist without the brain, which is just one part of the body. I'm not interested in buzzwords like "brainwashing". I don't view hypothetical treatments of the brain to address feelings of gender dysphoria any differently that I'd view treating the brain for other psychological or perception-based disorders. Sometimes the brain malfunctions and needs medical treatment. Also, I don't know why you are using quotes on "mutilating" as if it's something I said. I don't believe I have once referred to the process trans people undergo as mutilation. In fact, I've said the opposite: I am accepting of it as long as it's a treatment that has better results than doing nothing for them at all. The distinction is I don't think we should disregard potential treatments that could repair the brain itself. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac <cite>Esrac posted [p:886044080] in Are you ac... [t:75740046]...</cite> <quote><cite>Tmk posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Esrac posted...</cite> <quote>It is a valid comparison when your initial argument seemed to be "We are our brain, not our body. If the brain says the body should be X, then we should help them alter their body to be X."</quote> The point is, in a dispute between the body and the mind, why do you side with the body? Why do you consider that defining of who someone is? If you want to go this route why not bring up suicide? Is that not the ultimate destruction of the body, perpetrated by the mind? Do you not understand the difference between these things? Are you just that stuck on seeing a transgender person transitioning as "mutilating" their body? Because the alternative...is brainwashing. How is that not mutilating the mind? Right back at the beginning: mind, vs. body. If you come into this viewing transitioning as mutilation or destruction, then you're drinking poison then blaming me for a tummyache. It's a change, not a destruction.</quote> I don't distinguish between the mind and the body because the mind is part of the body. It is contained, entirely, in the physicaly apparatus that is the brain. Everything you are as a person is confined to your physical brain, and that brain can malfunction. As I said, you see to be setting up this false dichotomy between mind and body, when the mind doesn't exist without the brain, which is just one part of the body. I'm not interested in buzzwords like "brainwashing". I don't view hypothetical treatments of the brain to address feelings of gender dysphoria any differently that I'd view treating the brain for other psychological or perception-based disorders. Sometimes the brain malfunctions and needs medical treatment. Also, I don't know why you are using quotes on "mutilating" as if it's something I said. I don't believe I have once referred to the process trans people undergo as mutilation. In fact, I've said the opposite: I am accepting of it as long as it's a treatment that has better results than doing nothing for them at all. The distinction is I don't think we should disregard potential treatments that could repair the brain itself. --- http://steamcommunity.com/id/Esrac</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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