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Topic	Antifa are a bunch of cowards
Tropic_Sunset 08/28/17 5:26:53 PM #50:	adjl posted... Most people hesitate when presented with the option to kill people. Specifically, though, I can see somebody not wanting to start driving if there were innocent people in the path of the car. Again, though, if you were already just trying to mow down the crowd, there's no such thing as people you don't want to kill in the crowd. I agree...but if one is panicking, it is understandable why you would act in such a way. Not that I think it is tenable, this alone is the reason I think a manslaughter charge is appropriate, at the minimum. adjl posted... Yep, pretty much. It just wasn't a particularly brave assault to mount, given the very minimal risk to the attacker. Can I be blunt? I agree, but neither do I think it's brave to disappear into a crowd who agree with you. I think both of these individuals were equally cowards (well, comparably). The sock-lock guy was hardly surrounded by enemies. adjl posted... As I mentioned earlier, the antifa folks were outnumbered 20 to 1 (2000 to 100). An individual attacker may have had a few allies nearby, but he would definitely have been surrounded by dissenters. Not to be contrarian, but might you provide a source so I can appropriately reply? adjl posted... White nationalist ideals are certainly having an impact on how immigration and trade policies are shaping up in the US, and racists across the country have been emboldened by Trump's election. If Nazis were ever going to influence anything in the US, now's the time. Yeah? And that's obvious. This is also the time to stand up to them. What's less obvious is that this is the time to also stand up to extremists who oppose them. Again, both are bad. Reject the dumbass nazis, and also reject the extremists who oppose them but would be disastrous as well. Refuse both. adjl posted... suicide bombings in today's world are indeed conducted by Islamic radicals. Why should acknowledging that constitute Islamophobia? Using that to justify distrust of all Islamic people, or to inform sweeping immigration (or worse, registration) policies would, but simply acknowledging that fact does not in any way suggest that the vast majority of Muslims aren't innocent, peaceful people. I agree, just commenting that such logic applies to your original point as well.I do not think that confirming what the data implies should be ignored, but both the left and the right are guilty of this (the right more so than the left in recent years, but neither party has clean hands). This doesn't mean we should close our borders, but reexamine the [policies to cross them. adjl posted... Using that to justify distrust of all Islamic people, or to inform sweeping immigration (or worse, registration) policies would, but simply acknowledging that fact does not in any way suggest that the vast majority of Muslims aren't innocent, peaceful people. Uhhh...agreed? adjl posted... See how the topic's been derailed? That's why you don't add extra points that are demonstrably wrong. Neither agreed nor disagreed. Explain. --- "Nostalgia is a hell of a drug." -Magus 10 <cite>Tropic_Sunset posted [p:885611057] in Antifa are... [t:75716419]...</cite> <quote><cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Most people hesitate when presented with the option to kill people. Specifically, though, I can see somebody not wanting to start driving if there were innocent people in the path of the car. Again, though, if you were already just trying to mow down the crowd, there's no such thing as people you don't want to kill in the crowd.</quote> I agree...but if one is panicking, it is understandable why you would act in such a way. Not that I think it is tenable, this alone is the reason I think a manslaughter charge is appropriate, at the minimum. <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Yep, pretty much. It just wasn't a particularly brave assault to mount, given the very minimal risk to the attacker. </quote> Can I be blunt? I agree, but neither do I think it's brave to disappear into a crowd who agree with you. I think both of these individuals were equally cowards (well, comparably). The sock-lock guy was hardly surrounded by enemies. <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>As I mentioned earlier, the antifa folks were outnumbered 20 to 1 (2000 to 100). An individual attacker may have had a few allies nearby, but he would definitely have been surrounded by dissenters. </quote> Not to be contrarian, but might you provide a source so I can appropriately reply? <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>White nationalist ideals are certainly having an impact on how immigration and trade policies are shaping up in the US, and racists across the country have been emboldened by Trump's election. If Nazis were ever going to influence anything in the US, now's the time.</quote> Yeah? And that's obvious. This is also the time to stand up to them. What's less obvious is that this is the time to also stand up to extremists who oppose them. Again, both are bad. Reject the dumbass nazis, and also reject the extremists who oppose them but would be disastrous as well. Refuse both. <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote> suicide bombings in today's world are indeed conducted by Islamic radicals. Why should acknowledging that constitute Islamophobia? Using that to justify distrust of all Islamic people, or to inform sweeping immigration (or worse, registration) policies would, but simply acknowledging that fact does not in any way suggest that the vast majority of Muslims aren't innocent, peaceful people.</quote> I agree, just commenting that such logic applies to your original point as well.I do not think that confirming what the data implies should be ignored, but both the left and the right are guilty of this (the right more so than the left in recent years, but neither party has clean hands). This doesn't mean we should close our borders, but reexamine the [policies to cross them. <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>Using that to justify distrust of all Islamic people, or to inform sweeping immigration (or worse, registration) policies would, but simply acknowledging that fact does not in any way suggest that the vast majority of Muslims aren't innocent, peaceful people. </quote> Uhhh...agreed? <cite>adjl posted...</cite> <quote>See how the topic's been derailed? That's why you don't add extra points that are demonstrably wrong. </quote> Neither agreed nor disagreed. Explain. --- "Nostalgia is a hell of a drug." -Magus 10</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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