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Topic	I've always argued that Bill Russell/Kareem > MJ, hence MJ is 3rd
Duck-I-Says 08/05/17 2:34:17 AM #26:	FatalAccident posted... Duck-I-Says posted... ParanoidObsessive posted... whereas Kareem was so good and so singularly beyond everyone else on the court that they literally changed the rules of the sport to handicap him. That happened to Wilt as well. Yeah, Wilt is the first when it comes to mind with this for me. But MJ has won tons more than he has. Wilt was a selfish record chaser who was only interested in leading in every individual stat. He was apparently so bad about it that if he would basically stop playing defense if he was about to foul out so that he could score more points in the game. MJ is also in credibly self-centered, but his concern more about his team getting the most wins than it was about inflating his own stats. That's why he's better. I will give this to Wilt, though, he might be the single greatest athlete every to play in the NBA. Some of the shit he did on that 280-300lbs frame just defies belief: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhXzPvmCfVI 38 years old, 300+lbs, post-knee surgery and he could still out jump almost everyone in the NBA today. Then of course on top of that he had absolutely freakish strength: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huF3PFXU-V0 (though I doubt that title is right. I've always read he was in the high 200s, maybe low 300s. 315 is approaching shaq level) The guy is like the pinnacle of physical specimens. Just imagine how freakish he would be with modern gear, diet and training. <cite>Duck-I-Says posted [p:884214763] in I've alway... [t:75634268]...</cite> <quote><cite>FatalAccident posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Duck-I-Says posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ParanoidObsessive posted...</cite> <quote>whereas Kareem was so good and so singularly beyond everyone else on the court that they literally changed the rules of the sport to handicap him.</quote> That happened to Wilt as well.</quote> Yeah, Wilt is the first when it comes to mind with this for me. But MJ has won tons more than he has.</quote> Wilt was a selfish record chaser who was only interested in leading in every individual stat. He was apparently so bad about it that if he would basically stop playing defense if he was about to foul out so that he could score more points in the game. MJ is also in credibly self-centered, but his concern more about his team getting the most wins than it was about inflating his own stats. That's why he's better. I will give this to Wilt, though, he might be the single greatest athlete every to play in the NBA. Some of the shit he did on that 280-300lbs frame just defies belief: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhXzPvmCfVI 38 years old, 300+lbs, post-knee surgery and he could still out jump almost everyone in the NBA today. Then of course on top of that he had absolutely freakish strength: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=huF3PFXU-V0 (though I doubt that title is right. I've always read he was in the high 200s, maybe low 300s. 315 is approaching shaq level) The guy is like the pinnacle of physical specimens. Just imagine how freakish he would be with modern gear, diet and training.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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